Allthough, Vertigo1, you could visit the artists homepage. Many of them got some tracks that you can download to see if the music is interesting and good. But I agree with you, not all music downloaded from P2P network can be counted as stealing.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by C_Mon [/i]
[B]Allthough, Vertigo1, you could visit the artists homepage. Many of them got some tracks that you can download to see if the music is interesting and good. But I agree with you, not all music downloaded from P2P network can be counted as stealing. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats true. They're crap quality (128kbps) though. Still, they're not meant to be kept, just to be previewed....which is kinda the point of them being there.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tyco [/i]
[B]OKay, well here's an angle for ya'll. I'm a fan of underground music. So say that one of the groups is now defunct and their records are no longer available. So what now? I've been downloading entire albmms of these groups, mainly because they're extremely rare, and when you DO find a copy, they're outrageoulsy expensive.
So now what? No one is losing money, no one is getting hurt. [/B][/QUOTE]
The same argument is made for abandonware games. I'm not sure how the courts have ruled on that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if there have been multiple conflicting rulings.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vertigo1 [/i]
[B]Sales actually INCREASED because of networks like Napster and Kazaa. [/B][/QUOTE]
I went out and found a [url="http://www.silicon.com/news/500019/1/4071.html"]source[/url] on that; seems you may be right. It conflicts somewhat with other findings, though; last I heard, sales of CDs have gone down 30%. Tower Records and Wherehouse are just about out of business; Tower even [url="http://www.nypost.com/business/5479.htm"]tried to sell itself to the makers of Kazaa[/url].
I guess I'd need to see how the Nielsen ratings used in the first article were conducted; if it's just a poll, then I'm not sure it can really be trusted when compared to real sales figures.
On the other hand, it could be that declining sales for retailers like Tower and Wherehouse are more the result of online shopping or ordinary competitive forces. Unknown.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Konrad [/i]
[B]I admit I've done it - I was moraly weak for a while
It's real easy to click and download - just as it's real easy to grab that candy bar and just walk out the 7-11...
[/B][/QUOTE]
Are you implying that those who dowload music are "morally weak"?
Thanks, remind me to turn off the surveillence cameras on my living room ceiling and distract Bert the security guard standing behind me while I open Kazaa on my PC... :rolleyes:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ZocaloHobo [/i]
[B]IF the RIAA would use the technology instead of attempting to ban it. They'd make more grip and everybody would be happy about.[/B][/QUOTE]
Their little experiment with non-rippable cd's or whatever that cost them millions of dollars to develop - that users found out could be defeated by a sharpie marker was my personal favorite!
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[B]Allthough, Vertigo1, you could visit the artists homepage. Many of them got some tracks that you can download to see if the music is interesting and good. But I agree with you, not all music downloaded from P2P network can be counted as stealing. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats true. They're crap quality (128kbps) though. Still, they're not meant to be kept, just to be previewed....which is kinda the point of them being there.
[B]OKay, well here's an angle for ya'll. I'm a fan of underground music. So say that one of the groups is now defunct and their records are no longer available. So what now? I've been downloading entire albmms of these groups, mainly because they're extremely rare, and when you DO find a copy, they're outrageoulsy expensive.
So now what? No one is losing money, no one is getting hurt. [/B][/QUOTE]
The same argument is made for abandonware games. I'm not sure how the courts have ruled on that one, and I wouldn't be surprised if there have been multiple conflicting rulings.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Vertigo1 [/i]
[B]Sales actually INCREASED because of networks like Napster and Kazaa. [/B][/QUOTE]
I went out and found a [url="http://www.silicon.com/news/500019/1/4071.html"]source[/url] on that; seems you may be right. It conflicts somewhat with other findings, though; last I heard, sales of CDs have gone down 30%. Tower Records and Wherehouse are just about out of business; Tower even [url="http://www.nypost.com/business/5479.htm"]tried to sell itself to the makers of Kazaa[/url].
I guess I'd need to see how the Nielsen ratings used in the first article were conducted; if it's just a poll, then I'm not sure it can really be trusted when compared to real sales figures.
On the other hand, it could be that declining sales for retailers like Tower and Wherehouse are more the result of online shopping or ordinary competitive forces. Unknown.
[B]Downloading music is against the law. [/B][/QUOTE]
Its legal in Canada, and ever where else in the world.
[url]http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/3680[/url]
AND THE RIAA CANT DO SHIT, About it, BLAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[B]I admit I've done it - I was moraly weak for a while
It's real easy to click and download - just as it's real easy to grab that candy bar and just walk out the 7-11...
[/B][/QUOTE]
Are you implying that those who dowload music are "morally weak"?
Thanks, remind me to turn off the surveillence cameras on my living room ceiling and distract Bert the security guard standing behind me while I open Kazaa on my PC... :rolleyes:
Regards,
Morden
[B]IF the RIAA would use the technology instead of attempting to ban it. They'd make more grip and everybody would be happy about.[/B][/QUOTE]
Their little experiment with non-rippable cd's or whatever that cost them millions of dollars to develop - that users found out could be defeated by a sharpie marker was my personal favorite!
[B]Its legal in Canada, and ever where else in the world.
[/B][/QUOTE]
No it isn't. Read the comments on that page you linked.
[B]No it isn't. Read the comments on that page you linked. [/B][/QUOTE]
It is too legal in Canada. They already pay a tarrif on CD-R's and RW's, and they can't fine them twice for it.