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Lord Refa
Creepy, but in a good way
in Zocalo v2.0
[URL=http://www.newsinsider.org/seal/frankensteins_in_the_pentagon.html]Frankensteins in the Pentagon[/URL]
I'd like to get some bioengineering done.. :/
I'd like to get some bioengineering done.. :/
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[B]Read about it in the newspaper this wednesday. Pretty evil methinks. [/B][/QUOTE]
Evil? Hell! It's awesome in my mind. I'd be willing to sign up for experimentations this instant. :)
[B]THey can bioenginere how much they want, but nothing can beat the Finnish soldier and his SISU! [/B][/QUOTE]
As one from I/03 I have to disagree.
Atleast there weren't many of those there. :)
Worf
Someone tell DARPA to hire Cheryl Seal. Her insights on enhancing human performance to create super soldiers by increasing salaries and giving them more leave time are just brilliant! Dear God, why have they not thought of this before?! Screw biotechnology! It pales in comparison to more money and free time.
[i]"Baaaaaaad feeling..."[/i]
[B]Why jump to the conclusion that this is all evil? If I'm wounded in combat, I want to reman capable of fighting so that I can at least [i]defend[/i] myself. If I'm incapacitated, I'm at the complete mercy of my [i]enemy[/i], the people that wounded me in the first place. [/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE]Well according to that newspaper, the pilots that bombed allies (cant remember which) had both been forced to take drugs by their superiors.[/QUOTE]
Well, if you're going to implant something into someone's brain, you're going to make sure it works quite well. Did the newspaper say what kind of drugs?
[B]No! You fool, exile! You shouldn't have said that! Now they know you know, they'll come for you! [/B][/QUOTE]
We are the Communazis. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
[B]Whos exile, Is he a new member? [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, you crack me up.
Here, I'll save everyone the trouble. Consider the following posts to have been made:
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[*]Aardvark
[*]green
[*]purple
[*]watercooler
[*]monkey
[*]motercycle
[*]gay
[*]hitler
[*]communist
[*]nazi
[*]arsehole
[*]AOL
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and every permutation and combination of the above.
I'm sure I forgot many symptoms of the Firstone effect, but perhaps this will clear the air ehough so that we may have some reasonable discussions.
[B]Would anyone else care to post an intelligent reply to the points brought up in this thread? Or have we forgotten how to do that?
Here, I'll save everyone the trouble. Consider the following posts to have been made:
[list]
[*]Aardvark
[*]green
[*]purple
[*]watercooler
[*]monkey
[*]motercycle
[*]gay
[*]hitler
[*]communist
[*]nazi
[*]arsehole
[*]AOL
[/list]
and every permutation and combination of the above.
I'm sure I forgot many symptoms of the Firstone effect, but perhaps this will clear the air ehough so that we may have some reasonable discussions. [/B][/QUOTE]
Those posts arn't part of the Firstones effect. :)
The research involving the remote controlled rats was actually done about 2 years ago for search and rescue purposes. The rats to get into small passages in a collapsed building that a dog or human can't and can go into areas that are unstable.
And personally I really doubt the Combat Persistence scheme is to allow injured soldiers to continue fighting as cannon fodder. That's not how the US military currently works. It works very hard to protect the live of a soldier, partly due to limitation of numbers (read: no conscription) and the great investment that is put into training soldiers. I'm guessing idea is to heal wounds as quickly as possible to A) allow the soldiers to stabilize the situation & B) Keep the soldier healthy long enough to get him or her out of there to receive complete medical treatment.
Finally, reading the paragraph points out how biased and uninformed this author is:
[quote]With the insane Bush DARPA plunging forward with its Darth Vader research, the possibilities for horrific misuse and long-term consequences are staggering. For example, one of the DARPA Frankensteins, one Ted Berger of the University of Southern California, envisions pilots who would be able to pilot their planes by thought alone, thanks to brain implants. This concept, like so much military research, fails to consider realistic variables. To name just a few of these: what about the impact of fear, exhaustion, pain, or dizziness on effective neural function? Whoops -didn't mean to crash into that busy highway! Or how about ruthless generals turning their pilots into 'instant Kamikazes' as a shortcut to winning a battle? Or, for that matter, who's to stop the enemy or a lone terrorist who has gained access to the technology from finding a way to repeat 9/11 scenarios using our own pilots or soldiers? At the very least, there can be no benign consequence to pushing men and women beyond their 'unassisted' endurance. The risk of brain damage, brain tumors, cancers, catastrophic immune responses similar to host-graft disease, heart attacks (from electronic signals triggering arrhythmias), and other assaults on the body seem the most imminent dangers. But who knows what unforeseen consequences may emerge? For example, the children conceived during and right after the first above-ground nuclear tests are just now approaching 60 - who knows what sort of long smoldering cancers may yet erupt into 'epidemics.' [/quote]
Jake
[B]It may be great to have someone with a severe spinal injury keep operating, but I do hope that's after the injury has been treated. Just imagine what extra damage they could do to an untreated injury if they decided to keep running. This is the potential problem with the one for soldiers. While they'd be unlikely to use this sort of thing for a soldier who's had their spine shattered by a bullet, even a bullet wound in the leg needs to be treated rather than just have the soldier keep on running. [/B][/QUOTE]
Unless you're in a combat situation fighting off the damned VIETCONG with their PUNGEE PITS and SWORDS and VICIOUS SNAKES SLASH TIGERS!
(By the way, when I made my "off-topic" comment about the resurrected Stalin/Hitler, I was pointing out how paranoid, biased, and stupid this article was, not hijacking :))
[B]No. The pilots probably couldnt say from fear of getting fired. [/B][/QUOTE]
Its an anphetamine derivitave, most nations in the world have thier flight pysicians issue them if their pilots are going to be flying their air craft long distances, its done to keep the pilot awake, because if he nods off the plane noses into the deck and boom they are dead, the problem is it still is an amphetamine so it retains some of the nasty side affects, mainly is that hightens paranoia.
[B]Read about it in the newspaper this wednesday. Pretty evil methinks. [/B][/QUOTE]
oh yes, completely fricken evil uh huh right, ignore the fact that that she's just fucking everything up, hell even Poindexters "football lottery" idea wasnt a bad one, what it did was alow the pentagon to essential monitor brokerage activity (by being in the middle of it) this would have allowed the pentagon to notice if a shit load of money starts moving away from certain geographical areas, like the liquidiation of alot of airline stocks/new york/washington based buisness stocks that happend the week or two before 9/11 by various orginizations.. the terrorists are damn well bank rolled people Bin Laden and crew (plus others) trade stock too, jeesh, its not like all this money is shoved in a matress!
Frankly Chreyl is grinding a political axe for her own purposes disinform people in support of putting her own evil eliets in charge. hell thats all politics is about, control, manipulation, there are no good guys, yalls just sheep!!
baaaah! b aaaah! sheep!
And the reason it is evil: One of the goals is apparently to take away soldiers fears and sympathy, and make them more obedient.
Jake
[B]I didnt read it in that article first. I wish I had saved the newspaper I read it in. The article was pretty unbiased and just gave the facts.
And the reason it is evil: One of the goals is apparently to take away soldiers fears and sympathy, and make them more obedient. [/B][/QUOTE]
If you have sympathy for the opposing side, you have no place in a war zone. I don't mean you should totally despise the enemy, but when people are shooting at you, there has to be something wrong "up there" if you don't shoot back. And fear... I see the possible problems, but IMO, it's a damned good idea, as long as it didn't go too far. Y'know... enough to inspire confidence, not enough to make them rush headlong into the enemy, Rambo-style.