Then elaborate on what you don't like, period. Because from your posts, you seem to hold an unreasonable, unfounded grudge against the US, its citizens, and all of those associated with it.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rick [/i]
[B]I want to take over the world. Really. ;)
-R. [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't we all? Why else would I be doing a PhD in robotics? To build a robot army, of course!
You're doing what many people think Americans are guilty of doing: You're grouping all Americans into one stereotypical category. In fact, your post is very hypocritical, because you're guilty of doing what each question in your post is asking.
everyone sucks... Americans suck, Liberians suck, Aussies suck, Poles suck,we all suck...
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and... if you really want a proper target for your feelings or disgust anger or resentment...
you need to talk to
A) the current adminsitration of the US and perhaps the entire hidebound up-fucked, arrogant, aristocracy parading as elected members of the people, living in and around the seats of power in the US
B) the indolent, apathetic, obsequeous, insular, lazy, fat, stupid, arrogant, ignorant, nimby, loud mouthed, cowardly, ugly majority whose collective crap is destroying the US
I cant remember which US President said it but he said he didnt believe in Democracy, he said he believed in a red hot revolution every few years...
sounds like a fucking good idea to me...
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if youre going to generalise mate... do it properly..:D
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]Oh yeah...
(To Simmonds)
Answer the question properly, and stuff. Everyone has a reason for feeling something.
Hell, perhaps stop doing whatever it is you're doing and think about it for a few minutes. What is it, in more detail than just "US Foreign Policy" that makes you hate the US, not to mention Capitalism and Democracy (Among so many other things) so much? [/B][/QUOTE]
I know why I don't like USA as much as I could.
[list=1]
[*]It's always about how Germans killed inocent people or when Japan attacked Perl Harbor, never about what USA did to Japan.
[*]It's always how USA was first on the moon, never about how soviet was first in space.
[*]How USA tries to bee a world police.
[*]Every speech by Bush when he is attacking someone is about how USA brings freedom there.
[/list=1]
Still, don't look too closely on the "nevers" and "allways" because it's not really that specific in the real world, but still these are my opinion's and I hope you respect them. Correct me if I'm wrong about something totaly.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
[B]Don't we all? Why else would I be doing a PhD in robotics? To build a robot army, of course! [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by C_Mon [/i]
[B]I know why I don't like USA as much as I could.
[list=1]
[*]It's always about how Germans killed inocent people or when Japan attacked Perl Harbor, never about what USA did to Japan.
[*]It's always how USA was first on the moon, never about how soviet was first in space.
[*]How USA tries to bee a world police.
[*]Every speech by Bush when he is attacking someone is about how USA brings freedom there.
[/list=1]
Still, don't look too closely on the "nevers" and "allways" because it's not really that specific in the real world, but still these are my opinion's and I hope you respect them. Correct me if I'm wrong about something totaly. [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sanfam [/i]
[B]Then elaborate on what you don't like, period. Because from your posts, you seem to hold an unreasonable, unfounded grudge against the US, its citizens, and all of those associated with it. [/B][/QUOTE]
You Want to know Why I hate America????
1.Its Bush
2.Its your Foreign Policy
3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.
4.Your government has been know to back Fascist leader and install them into other countrys, In order to protect the people from “Communist”. Ever thuo the Fascist leaders are worst then Communist leaders.
5. Your government never signed the anti-land mine agreement, Just because you are the 1# producer of land mines in the world
6.Your government ignores envirmental agreements such as the Kyoto accord, Just because it mite cost the rich money.
7.You take to much credit for winning WW1 and WW2, Even though you sat out for most of WW1, and sat out for 2 years in WW2. I have no Problems with you sitting out. Its the Fact that you took to much credit away from other country, that helped a lot, like Russia.
8.You Never signed the children s rights agreements.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]You Want to know Why I hate America????[/B][/QUOTE]
So, in other words, you're lumping ~270 _million_ people into one homogeneous group, hating them all, because of our government's policy? Isn't that more than just a tad prejudiced? Seeing how I know 3 Canadians who now live in the 'States, 1 of whom is now a citizen, and know of quite a few more, doesn't your sweeping generalization then require you to, by extension, hate Canada too? After all, one shouldn't be inconsistent with one's hate.
[QUOTE][B]1.Its Bush[/B][/QUOTE]
You hate a person simply because of their beliefs? I may not agree with Bush, but I don't hate him.
[QUOTE][B]2.Its your Foreign Policy[/B][/QUOTE]
Be specific, please, unless 2 is just an umbrella bullet item that encompasses all of the other items, in which case you only have one beef. Well, that and an irrational hatred for an entire country because of what you perceive as the acts of its government. Hrm...who else does that sound like?
[QUOTE][B]3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.[/B][/QUOTE]
Governments don't bomb. Pilots do, on orders from that government. Plus, this is one of the worst sweeping inaccuracies I've seen in these forums. Bush doesn't exactly like France or Germany. When did we bomb them? He isn't on great terms with Saudi Arabia or North Korea. When did we bomb them? We're not on the best terms with a whole lot of countries. We haven't bombed them. Of course, remember Canada is a part of action in Afghanistan, too. It also joined in on efforts in Kosovo. I guess that means your same irrational hatred for the entire country of the United States must apply to Canada, too. After all, one must not be inconsistent with one's hatred.
[QUOTE][B]4.Your government has been know to back Fascist leader and install them into other countrys, In order to protect the people from “Communist”. Ever thuo the Fascist leaders are worst then Communist leaders. [/B][/QUOTE]
So, Noriega was worse than Stalin? You seem to have an odd perception of "worse."
[QUOTE][B]5. Your government never signed the anti-land mine agreement, Just because you are the 1# producer of land mines in the world[/B][/QUOTE]
Another glaring inaccuracy. I'm willing to bet good money that the Soviet Union/Russia is and was the largest producer of land mines in the world. Plus, the government didn't sign the agreement due to problems it would cause in certain areas, such as the Korean DMZ, etc.
[QUOTE][B]6.Your government ignores envirmental agreements such as the Kyoto accord, Just because it mite cost the rich money.[/B][/QUOTE]
Um...no. The Bush administration didn't ignore it. They just didn't sign it. Because it mite [sic] cost the rich money? No. The refusal to sign was due to, among other reasons, the fact that it would not require developing countries to share equitably in the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. Other reasons included the fact that the agreement contains too many loopholes and not enough specificity on how it will be implemented.
[QUOTE][B]You take to much credit for winning WW1 and WW2, Even though you sat out for most of WW1, and sat out for 2 years in WW2. I have no Problems with you sitting out. Its the Fact that you took to much credit away from other country, that helped a lot, like Russia.[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, historians are suggesting that Hitler screwed up so badly later on in the war due to a worsening condition he had, which they suspect to be Parkinson's. Ignoring that, WW2 would either not have been won, or would have been won much later without the help of the U.S.. Almost 13 million Americans served in the military during WW2. That number of troops does not just have a minor contribution to the war effort. Plus, my father was shot down twice over France while serving as a flight engineer on a bomber. On the same note, the war would not have been won without the British or the Russians.
[QUOTE][B]8.You Never signed the children s rights agreements.
:mad: :mad: :mad: [/B][/QUOTE]
The United States did sign the UN's Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict. It held up the process only because of disagreements with when they could or couldn't recruit soldiers. The US wanted the limit at 17 and other countries wanted it at 18.
[QUOTE][B]The List goes on and on [/B][/QUOTE]
Then go on and on. All of your points either have no basis in fact or show a distressing dependence on unfounded beliefs that really don't ring true in any sense. Plus, holding such an irrational hatred for an entire nation of people based on what you think to be the policies of its government and its reasons for forming those policies is really quite disturbing, to me. That lumping of a very wide range of people into one uniform lump, to serve as the object of the hatred...*cringe*
[quote]So, Noriega was worse than Stalin? You seem to have an odd perception of "worse."[/quote]
Afganistan Had a Communist Goverment before the Taliban took control and the US was indirecty responsible for the Taliban getting into power. Yeah was'nt the taliban better then the Communist. Taking away equal rights to men and women.
As for canada being in Afganistan, we did not realy gain anything, we lost four people due to two Trigger Happy US Pilots. And those Pilots got away with it.
also I'm getting sick of the US govement thinking they can police the world.
I dont hate the people of the US(I do hate some of them), I just hate the Current Goverment.
I could make a list of things I like about America, Dont I dont feel like it now. I'm to pissed off right now.
Note: At the point when I began this excessively longwinded and vulgar response, no replies had been made. I'm posting it anyway because I'll be damned if I'll fail to post three pages worth of grade-A rhetoric. The only difference is a special bonus section addressing a later post.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]You Want to know Why I hate America????
[/quote][/b]
An impressive list, really. And a very awkward one for me to address, for your comments mainly are in response to the current administration, which will work itself out of leadership in a year and a half or five and a half years, at which point your comments will be rendered null and void.
However, I'm not that patient. So, now I more or less have to defend an administration I disagree with because you've used it as justification for hating everything from [url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html]the Constitution[/url], to the [url=http://www.census.gov/]American public[/url], to [url=http://www.pierecipe.com/az/AmericanApplePie.asp]Apple Pie[/url]. And, while I could let this affront to my honor and that of my homeland go unanswered, well, I won't, because I'm petty that way. So, onto the list.
[quote][b]1.Its Bush[/quote][/b]
So, you hate an entire country of two hundred eighty million people and two hundred twenty-seven years of history because of... one man. Great. And I hate Europe because of Paul Reynaud, the calibrating SOB. It's spineless people like that who allow the world to go to pot while they quietly leave their countries after making a deal with the devil. And clearly, all Europeans, past and future, are like that, therefore, they all deserve my undying hatred and vitriol.
[quote][b]2.Its your Foreign Policy[/b][/quote]
What about it? I don't have a bloody binder marked "United States of America Foreign Policies as of July 7, 2003, so you'll have to be specific.
Oh, wait, you were. Let's move on from this spectacularly redundant entry, than.
[quote][b]3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.[/quote][/b]
Really. We do. Damn CNN, they've really been slipping up lately. Only countries I remember the U.S. attacking in the last few years are Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, I recall that those Taliban people in Afghanistan backed, oh, what was it? Let me think. Oh, right, an attack on American soil, demolishing property, and not the least of which, killing thousands of people, and intended to kill many more. Now, if you're suggesting we shouldn't have made terrible war on people who would do this sort of thing, and thus encouraged the perception that america is a weak, heartless shell, and that people like Osama bin Ladin can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and we're powerless to stop them, well...
Words fail me. Just say you weren't thinking about Afghanistan, and life will be easier for all of us.
Now, there was also Iraq, which was dubious not for reasons of morality (Saddam Hussein was clearly a despot, and anyone who doesn't see that has accomplished fantastic results in the pursuit of coupling the cranium and the nether regions) but motivation. It is not, nor has it been U.S. policy to remove the governments of other nations simply because they are evil totalitarian regimes. For one thing, it gives us too much discretionary power as to what constitutes a bad government, and for another, well, as the saying goes, we tend to mind our own business. This is why people warred with Hitler and not Stalin, for instance. Stalin killed his own people, and that, frankly, was their problem. Hitler, stupid man that he was, killed people next door, and for some odd reason, the fact that someone is no longer limiting his genocidal proclivities to his own people is more scary than the guy who's butchering his own citizens.
In any event, we are hardly bombing every country we don't like, and it's hardly in the name of freedom. Your criticism is applicable to one instance, and that's not enough to prove a trend. Next!
[quote][b]4.Your government has been know to back Fascist leader and install them into other countrys, In order to protect the people from “Communist”. Ever thuo the Fascist leaders are worst then Communist leaders. [/quote][/b]
I tend to think they’re both pretty bad, but never mind that. Would it have made you feel better if the Cold War had been between the United States and the Union of Soviet Fascist Republics, and we kept starting governments that quickly became communists as soon as we turned our backs for two seconds?
And I don't believe any of those fascist governments were fascist when we started them. But, like I said, when your leader goes coo-coo, it's your own damned problem. If we could fight off the British (with a little help from France), you can get your stuff together and throw off a tin-pot dictator like Hussein or Castro.
[quote][b]5. Your government never signed the anti-land mine agreement, Just because you are the 1# producer of land mines in the world[/quote][/b]
Oh, really? And when was the joint session of congress that announced this to the world? The "because we're the greatest producer, we won't ban them" bit, I mean.
And what does it matter that we're making land mines, if we aren't using them, and no one else is either, if it's been illegal to export such weapons from the United States for the last five years? Not to mention the fact that we've been eliminating our stockpiles of non-self destructing mines (the kind that blow up civilians fifty years later, for those keeping score), and have been researching de-mining technology.
Now, the money reason is one, but it's become less important since our stockpiles are full, and it's illegal to export them. There's also the tactical reason that, in a ground war, land mines are proven, effective weapons (too effective sometimes, granted), and we seem to be phasing them out on our own. Imagine that.
[quote][b]6.Your government ignores envirmental agreements such as the Kyoto accord, Just because it mite cost the rich money.[/quote][/b]
Actually, we aren't really ignoring it, as we aren't bound by it, as we didn't sign it thanks to cretins in the current administration. However, you don't hate the current administration, you hate America, so I have to argue with you. Bear this in mind while reading this post, both what has come before and after.
Now, there is something inherently insulting in being pressured to sign this sort of treaty. Imagine I came up to you and asked you to sign an agreement that you would never, say, perform obscene sexual acts with a donkey from now on. Implicit in this agreement is that you had, in fact, done such acts in the past, and could not be trusted to not do them in the future without outside oversight.
"Now, let me get this straight," you say. "You will not believe that I have not had sex with a donkey unless I sign this document and allow you to watch me whenever I am near a donkey." "No," they reply, "We will not believe that you won't have sex with a donkey [i]in the future[/i]. We'll believe whatever we damned well please about your history of donkey screwing." "Go to Hell," you respond.
Can you see why signing this sort of agreement is detrimental. Now let's say you didn't refuse to sign the donkey agreement because of insult, but because you don't agree with forcing the signers to where chastity belts whenever they are within a mile of a donkey. Naturally, they won't change the entire agreement because of your issue, so you pass on it. Now guess why everyone will say you didn't sign it. Ten will get you one that they won't say it's because you have a beloved uncle with a farm who you visit every few weeks and find chastity belts uncomfortably chafing. They'll say it's because you enjoy laying down with pigs, donkeys, and all the other beasts spread ov'r the land.
I realize that is metaphor was excessively colorful and likely has little to do with the issue in question, but [b]Captain,Simmonds[/b] bugs me, and it's been a long time since I wrote a long, colorful, metaphor like that. In fact, it was damned near a parable. Anyway, next!
[quote][b]7.You take to much credit for winning WW1 and WW2, Even though you sat out for most of WW1, and sat out for 2 years in WW2. I have no Problems with you sitting out. Its the Fact that you took to much credit away from other country, that helped a lot, like Russia.[/b][/quote]
Finally! Something that isn't exclusively the fault of the Bush Administration or the Republican party! Oh, happy day, I can give my unvarnished opinion!
So, you're saying we [i]didn't[/i] turn the tide of the war? That the war could've been won without U.S. intervention? I doubt that. I mean, Russia did a lot, but if Germany had attacked three months earlier, Eurasia would be speaking German today, and the U.S. would be rather humbled.
See! That's who won World War II! The bitter Russian Winter! And if you want to go into more detail as to how the USSR had more to do with the winning of the war than being a diversion for Hitler while the Allies beat on him from the west, well, you give me a yell, okay?
[quote][b]8.You Never signed the children s rights agreements.[/quote]
Yes, we did sign it. We haven't ratified yet. And why, pray tell, is it taking so long?
[quote]From the [url=http://www.unicef.org/crc/faq.htm#009]UNICEF FAQ on the CRC[/url]
[b]As in many other nations, the United States undertakes an extensive examination and scrutiny of treaties before proceeding to ratify. This examination, which includes an evaluation of the degree of compliance with existing law and practice in the country at state and federal levels, can take several years – or even longer if the treaty is portrayed as being controversial or if the process is politicized. For example, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide took more than 30 years to be ratified in the United States and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, which was signed by the United States 17 years ago, still has not been ratified. Moreover, the US Government typically will consider only one human rights treaty at a time. Currently, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women is cited as the nation's top priority among human rights treaties. [/b][/quote]
I'm all for reading treaties in detail before signing them, and I'm sure anyone else who has been burned by a deceptively worded contract would agree. In fact, I respect the United States more, given that getting them to sign on to something isn't a rubber-stamp process, and that we won't just jump on the bandwagon because all the cool countries are doing it.
[quote][b]:mad: :mad: :mad:[/quote][/b]
Don't use the same smilie [i]en masse[/i] like that. It looks childish and detracts any impact it may have had.
[quote][b]The List goes on and on [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm sure it does.
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SPECIAL BONUS POST!
[quote][b]Afganistan Had a Communist Goverment before the Taliban took control and the US was indirecty responsible for the Taliban getting into power. Yeah was'nt the taliban better then the Communist. Taking away equal rights to men and women.[/quote][/b]
Not to mention the whole terrorist thing, which you didn't. But, the numbers have it. The Soviet Union killed sixty-two million people over sixty years. The Taliban made women overdress and financed terrorism that, while despicable and contemptible, killed thousands of people as opposed to tens of millions.
[quote][b]As for canada being in Afganistan, we did not realy gain anything, we lost four people due to two Trigger Happy US Pilots. And those Pilots got away with it. [/quote][/b]
No, you didn't. Neither did we. It was a retaliatory strike. It wasn't a war for land or resources, it was a war for vengeance. And friendly fire has killed a hell of a lot more Americans that it has Canadians. And from what I know of the horror of killing your own men, I wouldn't say those soldiers got away with anything. But, then, I suppose you haven't been woken up by a solider screaming in his sleep as he relives killing innocent people.
Don't assume that people can blow away other human beings, even accidentally, and just walk off humming a happy tune.
[quote][b]also I'm getting sick of the US govement thinking they can police the world.[/quote][/b]
Yes, because the alternative of allowing the egotistical bastards of the will to kill, rape and pillage to their heart's content is just [i]so[/i] much better.
Now, if I were president, one of my first foreign policy alterations would be to push and shove a resolution through the U.N. creating an international police force, not unlike the Rangers on Babylon 5. Hell, I might even steal the name.
[quote][b]I dont hate the people of the US(I do hate some of them), I just hate the Current Goverment.[/quote][/b]
Yes you do. The people of the U.S. put the government of the power. Our Constitution states that ours is a government [i]of[/i] the people, [i]by[/i] the people, and [i]for[/i] the people. Now, if you were to hate the current presidential administration, that would be something different, as it is just a [i]third[/i] our government.
[quote][b]I could make a list of things I like about America, Dont I dont feel like it now. I'm to pissed off right now.[/quote][/b]
Great. Cool down. It's a bad idea to argue while angry. Why the hell do you think all my posts in this topic are veritable essays?
P.S. Manuel Noriega had nothing to do with the Taliban. Don't dodge the question. A better response would be that Noriega was worse than Castro, as they are on the same scale of international politics, and represent opposites but equals.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]You Want to know Why I hate America????
3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Holy Shit!!!! We bombed France????!?!?!?!?!?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Biggles [/i]
[B]DoM: From now on, you are required to write all essays in shorthand so as to reduce the loading time of the page. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
God damn it, I dont want to write a essay on why I hate america. Then I have to write one on why i like America.
IF I did write one, I mite sound more sane. and less of a Hateful Person.
BTW: I dont hate all americans(I dont know all of you:D), I just hate some of them, Like Bush, and the guy whos trying to give the right to Companys to hack people, who file share.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]OKey I'm going to change this to why do you think your goverment is like this
Except a few Questions, which where based on a polls
I Do not Mean to start a flame war here. But is it does lead to one, I will Delete the post.
[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]
Why do you think that you should control the world just becuase you are the most powerful in the world,??
[/B][/QUOTE]
I dont think anybody in america wants to control the world, alot of stuff we get suckered into by europe and others then used as a scapegoat when things get ugly. Howver alot of it we get into our selves. We seem to forget that WW2 and the cold war was a unique situation, we need to detach ourselves from involvement in other peoples buisness.
[QUOTE][B]
Why do you think that you sould be exempt from the International Court ?
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ahh now this is something I DO support. See this is what I study and Ive read alot of source material, and the truth is, their is no international government, or true international consensus of standards and behvior, other then really, really basic things. Having an International Court WILL great a global body running the world, which is the same thing your protesting about the US.
If you think that the ICC isnt tied up with factions running it that are persuing their own self interested agenda, your awfully nieave.
[QUOTE][B]
Why do you think that you should Bully everone to supporting you, Either Militarily or Economically?
[/B][/QUOTE]
I hate to tell you thats what countries do, they use their advantages to leverage concessions out of their neighbors, even Canada does it, and definatly Germany and France. Its just the US activities get more press. The world is an ugly place. Frankly nobody is screaming about the French role in protecting Coca plantations in Cote d Ivory while innocents die, and I think thats kinda hypocritical.
[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]
Why do you think that everone is wrong, except you??
[/B][/QUOTE]
Its not a matter of right and wrong, thats propoganda on all sides, the truth of the matter is all players are just looking out for their best interests, honestly morality isnt playing into it at all, and Im sticking by that one, its just most people dont want to admit it.
[QUOTE][B]
Why do you think that people who hate america dont beleve in freedom or Democracy?
[/B][/QUOTE]
Uhmm some dont, some do.
[QUOTE][B]
Why do you think that everone wants to live in america Even tho that when people are ask in other countrys, if they want to live in america, They dont want to? [/B][/QUOTE]
Cause they all seem to end up moving here anyways?
There is a wonderfull story that with the release of the hostages held in Tehran during the Iranian hostage crisis one of the hostage takers actualy had the gall to ask one of the americans held captive if they would testify on their behalf when they applied for a visa. Those kinds of things tend to send mixed messages.
[QUOTE] [i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]
[QUOTE][B]
Ummmm..... I'm not sure about Europeans, But Canada is a prity diverse place, and diversity is very well promoted here in canada especially in toronto. Also the word multicultural in writen in the Charter of rights anf Freedoms.
And I dont know anyone who is afraid of minorities and diversity.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Thats because despite all the pretty words Canada is a fairly homoginous society (if you over look the whole quebec thing), you have a drasticly lower percentage of various ethnic groups, if I rember right something like 80% of your population is caucasian, versus maybe 55% here in the US. I could be off on those figures however.
[QUOTE][B]
Q:Why is Canada and Europe doing nothing to help the people in Africa, China, and the Middle East?
Ummm..... Canada is sending soilders back over to afganistan on a peacekeeping Mission this summer. The the Current peacekeeping Operation is Germen lead I beleve.
I Beleve that France is Leading a peace keeping mission to Congo.
Also Canada has sent aid to Iraq to help support Health Care, Clean Water ect, ect.
And for your information, Canada and Figi Both Share a world record for PeaceKeeping
[/B][/QUOTE]
However unlike Fiji, Candaian troops are seldom used as direct intervention forces, Canda mostly sends in support elements that are not directly exposed to harms way, then again part of this is a function of the fact that canada these days doesnt have that many combat elements. Also the US is the one who ends up supporting logisicly over 75% of the peacekeeping missions, it may not be american troops on the ground, the peacekeepers are kept fed, clothed, provided with ammo and parts by american airforce, army and navy assets.
Secondly this is at least Frances second foray into the Congo mess! they have had forces their previously and the second things started getting ugly they pulled out and the slaughter continued, the same thing happend in Rwanda. Its easy to stand around when the shooting stops, but harder to risk to protect people, just ask the dutch about that and their activities in Bosnia.
Comments
+I dont hate america that much.
[B]I want to take over the world. Really. ;)
-R. [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't we all? Why else would I be doing a PhD in robotics? To build a robot army, of course!
2. I don't think that.
3. I don't think that.
4. I don't think that.
5. I don't think that.
6. I don't think that.
Do you realize what you're doing here?
You're doing what many people think Americans are guilty of doing: You're grouping all Americans into one stereotypical category. In fact, your post is very hypocritical, because you're guilty of doing what each question in your post is asking.
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and... if you really want a proper target for your feelings or disgust anger or resentment...
you need to talk to
A) the current adminsitration of the US and perhaps the entire hidebound up-fucked, arrogant, aristocracy parading as elected members of the people, living in and around the seats of power in the US
B) the indolent, apathetic, obsequeous, insular, lazy, fat, stupid, arrogant, ignorant, nimby, loud mouthed, cowardly, ugly majority whose collective crap is destroying the US
I cant remember which US President said it but he said he didnt believe in Democracy, he said he believed in a red hot revolution every few years...
sounds like a fucking good idea to me...
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if youre going to generalise mate... do it properly..:D
now as to which is who, fight over it :p
[B]Oh yeah...
(To Simmonds)
Answer the question properly, and stuff. Everyone has a reason for feeling something.
Hell, perhaps stop doing whatever it is you're doing and think about it for a few minutes. What is it, in more detail than just "US Foreign Policy" that makes you hate the US, not to mention Capitalism and Democracy (Among so many other things) so much? [/B][/QUOTE]
I know why I don't like USA as much as I could.
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[*]It's always about how Germans killed inocent people or when Japan attacked Perl Harbor, never about what USA did to Japan.
[*]It's always how USA was first on the moon, never about how soviet was first in space.
[*]How USA tries to bee a world police.
[*]Every speech by Bush when he is attacking someone is about how USA brings freedom there.
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Still, don't look too closely on the "nevers" and "allways" because it's not really that specific in the real world, but still these are my opinion's and I hope you respect them. Correct me if I'm wrong about something totaly.
[B]Don't we all? Why else would I be doing a PhD in robotics? To build a robot army, of course! [/B][/QUOTE]
ROGER ROGER!!!
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[B]everyone sucks... Americans suck, Liberians suck, Aussies suck, Poles suck,we all suck....
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Yep.... Even you Shadow Boxer... You suck too! :D
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[B]I know why I don't like USA as much as I could.
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[*]It's always about how Germans killed inocent people or when Japan attacked Perl Harbor, never about what USA did to Japan.
[*]It's always how USA was first on the moon, never about how soviet was first in space.
[*]How USA tries to bee a world police.
[*]Every speech by Bush when he is attacking someone is about how USA brings freedom there.
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Still, don't look too closely on the "nevers" and "allways" because it's not really that specific in the real world, but still these are my opinion's and I hope you respect them. Correct me if I'm wrong about something totaly. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's the type oof answer I'm looking for! :D
[B]Then elaborate on what you don't like, period. Because from your posts, you seem to hold an unreasonable, unfounded grudge against the US, its citizens, and all of those associated with it. [/B][/QUOTE]
You Want to know Why I hate America????
1.Its Bush
2.Its your Foreign Policy
3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.
4.Your government has been know to back Fascist leader and install them into other countrys, In order to protect the people from “Communist”. Ever thuo the Fascist leaders are worst then Communist leaders.
5. Your government never signed the anti-land mine agreement, Just because you are the 1# producer of land mines in the world
6.Your government ignores envirmental agreements such as the Kyoto accord, Just because it mite cost the rich money.
7.You take to much credit for winning WW1 and WW2, Even though you sat out for most of WW1, and sat out for 2 years in WW2. I have no Problems with you sitting out. Its the Fact that you took to much credit away from other country, that helped a lot, like Russia.
8.You Never signed the children s rights agreements.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
The List goes on and on
[B]You Want to know Why I hate America????[/B][/QUOTE]
So, in other words, you're lumping ~270 _million_ people into one homogeneous group, hating them all, because of our government's policy? Isn't that more than just a tad prejudiced? Seeing how I know 3 Canadians who now live in the 'States, 1 of whom is now a citizen, and know of quite a few more, doesn't your sweeping generalization then require you to, by extension, hate Canada too? After all, one shouldn't be inconsistent with one's hate.
[QUOTE][B]1.Its Bush[/B][/QUOTE]
You hate a person simply because of their beliefs? I may not agree with Bush, but I don't hate him.
[QUOTE][B]2.Its your Foreign Policy[/B][/QUOTE]
Be specific, please, unless 2 is just an umbrella bullet item that encompasses all of the other items, in which case you only have one beef. Well, that and an irrational hatred for an entire country because of what you perceive as the acts of its government. Hrm...who else does that sound like?
[QUOTE][B]3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.[/B][/QUOTE]
Governments don't bomb. Pilots do, on orders from that government. Plus, this is one of the worst sweeping inaccuracies I've seen in these forums. Bush doesn't exactly like France or Germany. When did we bomb them? He isn't on great terms with Saudi Arabia or North Korea. When did we bomb them? We're not on the best terms with a whole lot of countries. We haven't bombed them. Of course, remember Canada is a part of action in Afghanistan, too. It also joined in on efforts in Kosovo. I guess that means your same irrational hatred for the entire country of the United States must apply to Canada, too. After all, one must not be inconsistent with one's hatred.
[QUOTE][B]4.Your government has been know to back Fascist leader and install them into other countrys, In order to protect the people from “Communist”. Ever thuo the Fascist leaders are worst then Communist leaders. [/B][/QUOTE]
So, Noriega was worse than Stalin? You seem to have an odd perception of "worse."
[QUOTE][B]5. Your government never signed the anti-land mine agreement, Just because you are the 1# producer of land mines in the world[/B][/QUOTE]
Another glaring inaccuracy. I'm willing to bet good money that the Soviet Union/Russia is and was the largest producer of land mines in the world. Plus, the government didn't sign the agreement due to problems it would cause in certain areas, such as the Korean DMZ, etc.
[QUOTE][B]6.Your government ignores envirmental agreements such as the Kyoto accord, Just because it mite cost the rich money.[/B][/QUOTE]
Um...no. The Bush administration didn't ignore it. They just didn't sign it. Because it mite [sic] cost the rich money? No. The refusal to sign was due to, among other reasons, the fact that it would not require developing countries to share equitably in the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. Other reasons included the fact that the agreement contains too many loopholes and not enough specificity on how it will be implemented.
[QUOTE][B]You take to much credit for winning WW1 and WW2, Even though you sat out for most of WW1, and sat out for 2 years in WW2. I have no Problems with you sitting out. Its the Fact that you took to much credit away from other country, that helped a lot, like Russia.[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, historians are suggesting that Hitler screwed up so badly later on in the war due to a worsening condition he had, which they suspect to be Parkinson's. Ignoring that, WW2 would either not have been won, or would have been won much later without the help of the U.S.. Almost 13 million Americans served in the military during WW2. That number of troops does not just have a minor contribution to the war effort. Plus, my father was shot down twice over France while serving as a flight engineer on a bomber. On the same note, the war would not have been won without the British or the Russians.
[QUOTE][B]8.You Never signed the children s rights agreements.
:mad: :mad: :mad: [/B][/QUOTE]
The United States did sign the UN's Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict. It held up the process only because of disagreements with when they could or couldn't recruit soldiers. The US wanted the limit at 17 and other countries wanted it at 18.
[QUOTE][B]The List goes on and on [/B][/QUOTE]
Then go on and on. All of your points either have no basis in fact or show a distressing dependence on unfounded beliefs that really don't ring true in any sense. Plus, holding such an irrational hatred for an entire nation of people based on what you think to be the policies of its government and its reasons for forming those policies is really quite disturbing, to me. That lumping of a very wide range of people into one uniform lump, to serve as the object of the hatred...*cringe*
Afganistan Had a Communist Goverment before the Taliban took control and the US was indirecty responsible for the Taliban getting into power. Yeah was'nt the taliban better then the Communist. Taking away equal rights to men and women.
As for canada being in Afganistan, we did not realy gain anything, we lost four people due to two Trigger Happy US Pilots. And those Pilots got away with it.
also I'm getting sick of the US govement thinking they can police the world.
I dont hate the people of the US(I do hate some of them), I just hate the Current Goverment.
I could make a list of things I like about America, Dont I dont feel like it now. I'm to pissed off right now.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]You Want to know Why I hate America????
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An impressive list, really. And a very awkward one for me to address, for your comments mainly are in response to the current administration, which will work itself out of leadership in a year and a half or five and a half years, at which point your comments will be rendered null and void.
However, I'm not that patient. So, now I more or less have to defend an administration I disagree with because you've used it as justification for hating everything from [url=http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html]the Constitution[/url], to the [url=http://www.census.gov/]American public[/url], to [url=http://www.pierecipe.com/az/AmericanApplePie.asp]Apple Pie[/url]. And, while I could let this affront to my honor and that of my homeland go unanswered, well, I won't, because I'm petty that way. So, onto the list.
[quote][b]1.Its Bush[/quote][/b]
So, you hate an entire country of two hundred eighty million people and two hundred twenty-seven years of history because of... one man. Great. And I hate Europe because of Paul Reynaud, the calibrating SOB. It's spineless people like that who allow the world to go to pot while they quietly leave their countries after making a deal with the devil. And clearly, all Europeans, past and future, are like that, therefore, they all deserve my undying hatred and vitriol.
[quote][b]2.Its your Foreign Policy[/b][/quote]
What about it? I don't have a bloody binder marked "United States of America Foreign Policies as of July 7, 2003, so you'll have to be specific.
Oh, wait, you were. Let's move on from this spectacularly redundant entry, than.
[quote][b]3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.[/quote][/b]
Really. We do. Damn CNN, they've really been slipping up lately. Only countries I remember the U.S. attacking in the last few years are Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, I recall that those Taliban people in Afghanistan backed, oh, what was it? Let me think. Oh, right, an attack on American soil, demolishing property, and not the least of which, killing thousands of people, and intended to kill many more. Now, if you're suggesting we shouldn't have made terrible war on people who would do this sort of thing, and thus encouraged the perception that america is a weak, heartless shell, and that people like Osama bin Ladin can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and we're powerless to stop them, well...
Words fail me. Just say you weren't thinking about Afghanistan, and life will be easier for all of us.
Now, there was also Iraq, which was dubious not for reasons of morality (Saddam Hussein was clearly a despot, and anyone who doesn't see that has accomplished fantastic results in the pursuit of coupling the cranium and the nether regions) but motivation. It is not, nor has it been U.S. policy to remove the governments of other nations simply because they are evil totalitarian regimes. For one thing, it gives us too much discretionary power as to what constitutes a bad government, and for another, well, as the saying goes, we tend to mind our own business. This is why people warred with Hitler and not Stalin, for instance. Stalin killed his own people, and that, frankly, was their problem. Hitler, stupid man that he was, killed people next door, and for some odd reason, the fact that someone is no longer limiting his genocidal proclivities to his own people is more scary than the guy who's butchering his own citizens.
In any event, we are hardly bombing every country we don't like, and it's hardly in the name of freedom. Your criticism is applicable to one instance, and that's not enough to prove a trend. Next!
[quote][b]4.Your government has been know to back Fascist leader and install them into other countrys, In order to protect the people from “Communist”. Ever thuo the Fascist leaders are worst then Communist leaders. [/quote][/b]
I tend to think they’re both pretty bad, but never mind that. Would it have made you feel better if the Cold War had been between the United States and the Union of Soviet Fascist Republics, and we kept starting governments that quickly became communists as soon as we turned our backs for two seconds?
And I don't believe any of those fascist governments were fascist when we started them. But, like I said, when your leader goes coo-coo, it's your own damned problem. If we could fight off the British (with a little help from France), you can get your stuff together and throw off a tin-pot dictator like Hussein or Castro.
[quote][b]5. Your government never signed the anti-land mine agreement, Just because you are the 1# producer of land mines in the world[/quote][/b]
Oh, really? And when was the joint session of congress that announced this to the world? The "because we're the greatest producer, we won't ban them" bit, I mean.
And what does it matter that we're making land mines, if we aren't using them, and no one else is either, if it's been illegal to export such weapons from the United States for the last five years? Not to mention the fact that we've been eliminating our stockpiles of non-self destructing mines (the kind that blow up civilians fifty years later, for those keeping score), and have been researching de-mining technology.
Now, the money reason is one, but it's become less important since our stockpiles are full, and it's illegal to export them. There's also the tactical reason that, in a ground war, land mines are proven, effective weapons (too effective sometimes, granted), and we seem to be phasing them out on our own. Imagine that.
[quote][b]6.Your government ignores envirmental agreements such as the Kyoto accord, Just because it mite cost the rich money.[/quote][/b]
Actually, we aren't really ignoring it, as we aren't bound by it, as we didn't sign it thanks to cretins in the current administration. However, you don't hate the current administration, you hate America, so I have to argue with you. Bear this in mind while reading this post, both what has come before and after.
Now, there is something inherently insulting in being pressured to sign this sort of treaty. Imagine I came up to you and asked you to sign an agreement that you would never, say, perform obscene sexual acts with a donkey from now on. Implicit in this agreement is that you had, in fact, done such acts in the past, and could not be trusted to not do them in the future without outside oversight.
"Now, let me get this straight," you say. "You will not believe that I have not had sex with a donkey unless I sign this document and allow you to watch me whenever I am near a donkey." "No," they reply, "We will not believe that you won't have sex with a donkey [i]in the future[/i]. We'll believe whatever we damned well please about your history of donkey screwing." "Go to Hell," you respond.
Can you see why signing this sort of agreement is detrimental. Now let's say you didn't refuse to sign the donkey agreement because of insult, but because you don't agree with forcing the signers to where chastity belts whenever they are within a mile of a donkey. Naturally, they won't change the entire agreement because of your issue, so you pass on it. Now guess why everyone will say you didn't sign it. Ten will get you one that they won't say it's because you have a beloved uncle with a farm who you visit every few weeks and find chastity belts uncomfortably chafing. They'll say it's because you enjoy laying down with pigs, donkeys, and all the other beasts spread ov'r the land.
I realize that is metaphor was excessively colorful and likely has little to do with the issue in question, but [b]Captain,Simmonds[/b] bugs me, and it's been a long time since I wrote a long, colorful, metaphor like that. In fact, it was damned near a parable. Anyway, next!
[quote][b]7.You take to much credit for winning WW1 and WW2, Even though you sat out for most of WW1, and sat out for 2 years in WW2. I have no Problems with you sitting out. Its the Fact that you took to much credit away from other country, that helped a lot, like Russia.[/b][/quote]
Finally! Something that isn't exclusively the fault of the Bush Administration or the Republican party! Oh, happy day, I can give my unvarnished opinion!
So, you're saying we [i]didn't[/i] turn the tide of the war? That the war could've been won without U.S. intervention? I doubt that. I mean, Russia did a lot, but if Germany had attacked three months earlier, Eurasia would be speaking German today, and the U.S. would be rather humbled.
See! That's who won World War II! The bitter Russian Winter! And if you want to go into more detail as to how the USSR had more to do with the winning of the war than being a diversion for Hitler while the Allies beat on him from the west, well, you give me a yell, okay?
[quote][b]8.You Never signed the children s rights agreements.[/quote]
Yes, we did sign it. We haven't ratified yet. And why, pray tell, is it taking so long?
[quote]From the [url=http://www.unicef.org/crc/faq.htm#009]UNICEF FAQ on the CRC[/url]
[b]As in many other nations, the United States undertakes an extensive examination and scrutiny of treaties before proceeding to ratify. This examination, which includes an evaluation of the degree of compliance with existing law and practice in the country at state and federal levels, can take several years – or even longer if the treaty is portrayed as being controversial or if the process is politicized. For example, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide took more than 30 years to be ratified in the United States and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, which was signed by the United States 17 years ago, still has not been ratified. Moreover, the US Government typically will consider only one human rights treaty at a time. Currently, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women is cited as the nation's top priority among human rights treaties. [/b][/quote]
I'm all for reading treaties in detail before signing them, and I'm sure anyone else who has been burned by a deceptively worded contract would agree. In fact, I respect the United States more, given that getting them to sign on to something isn't a rubber-stamp process, and that we won't just jump on the bandwagon because all the cool countries are doing it.
[quote][b]:mad: :mad: :mad:[/quote][/b]
Don't use the same smilie [i]en masse[/i] like that. It looks childish and detracts any impact it may have had.
[quote][b]The List goes on and on [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm sure it does.
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[quote][b]Afganistan Had a Communist Goverment before the Taliban took control and the US was indirecty responsible for the Taliban getting into power. Yeah was'nt the taliban better then the Communist. Taking away equal rights to men and women.[/quote][/b]
Not to mention the whole terrorist thing, which you didn't. But, the numbers have it. The Soviet Union killed sixty-two million people over sixty years. The Taliban made women overdress and financed terrorism that, while despicable and contemptible, killed thousands of people as opposed to tens of millions.
[quote][b]As for canada being in Afganistan, we did not realy gain anything, we lost four people due to two Trigger Happy US Pilots. And those Pilots got away with it. [/quote][/b]
No, you didn't. Neither did we. It was a retaliatory strike. It wasn't a war for land or resources, it was a war for vengeance. And friendly fire has killed a hell of a lot more Americans that it has Canadians. And from what I know of the horror of killing your own men, I wouldn't say those soldiers got away with anything. But, then, I suppose you haven't been woken up by a solider screaming in his sleep as he relives killing innocent people.
Don't assume that people can blow away other human beings, even accidentally, and just walk off humming a happy tune.
[quote][b]also I'm getting sick of the US govement thinking they can police the world.[/quote][/b]
Yes, because the alternative of allowing the egotistical bastards of the will to kill, rape and pillage to their heart's content is just [i]so[/i] much better.
Now, if I were president, one of my first foreign policy alterations would be to push and shove a resolution through the U.N. creating an international police force, not unlike the Rangers on Babylon 5. Hell, I might even steal the name.
[quote][b]I dont hate the people of the US(I do hate some of them), I just hate the Current Goverment.[/quote][/b]
Yes you do. The people of the U.S. put the government of the power. Our Constitution states that ours is a government [i]of[/i] the people, [i]by[/i] the people, and [i]for[/i] the people. Now, if you were to hate the current presidential administration, that would be something different, as it is just a [i]third[/i] our government.
[quote][b]I could make a list of things I like about America, Dont I dont feel like it now. I'm to pissed off right now.[/quote][/b]
Great. Cool down. It's a bad idea to argue while angry. Why the hell do you think all my posts in this topic are veritable essays?
P.S. Manuel Noriega had nothing to do with the Taliban. Don't dodge the question. A better response would be that Noriega was worse than Castro, as they are on the same scale of international politics, and represent opposites but equals.
[B]Why the hell do you think all my posts in this topic are veritable essays?[/B][/QUOTE]
Novelettes ... ;)
[B]You Want to know Why I hate America????
3.Its the fact that your government bombs the shit of every country that your don t like, in the name of freedom.
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Holy Shit!!!! We bombed France????!?!?!?!?!?
-R.
[B]Holy Shit!!!! We bombed France????!?!?!?!?!?
-R. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes! Not really bombed it, but invaded it, but then again it was really the germans you were fighting!
This is right up there for hating all germans for the actions of Hitler and the nazis.....
[B]DoM: From now on, you are required to write all essays in shorthand so as to reduce the loading time of the page. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
God damn it, I dont want to write a essay on why I hate america. Then I have to write one on why i like America.
IF I did write one, I mite sound more sane. and less of a Hateful Person.
BTW: I dont hate all americans(I dont know all of you:D), I just hate some of them, Like Bush, and the guy whos trying to give the right to Companys to hack people, who file share.
Heres a list of things I like about america.
Space Program
TV, Programs
Movies
some sports.
and the lists goes on and on.
(flee...hide...escape...;) )
-R.
It only counts if it takes effort to spot :D
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I just wanted to use that emoticron. I don't know why.
-R.
Figure I'd chime in with a cool one....:)
BTW I am American....:)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Captain,Simmonds [/i]
[B]OKey I'm going to change this to why do you think your goverment is like this
Except a few Questions, which where based on a polls
I Do not Mean to start a flame war here. But is it does lead to one, I will Delete the post.
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Why do you think that you should control the world just becuase you are the most powerful in the world,??
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I dont think anybody in america wants to control the world, alot of stuff we get suckered into by europe and others then used as a scapegoat when things get ugly. Howver alot of it we get into our selves. We seem to forget that WW2 and the cold war was a unique situation, we need to detach ourselves from involvement in other peoples buisness.
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Why do you think that you sould be exempt from the International Court ?
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Ahh now this is something I DO support. See this is what I study and Ive read alot of source material, and the truth is, their is no international government, or true international consensus of standards and behvior, other then really, really basic things. Having an International Court WILL great a global body running the world, which is the same thing your protesting about the US.
If you think that the ICC isnt tied up with factions running it that are persuing their own self interested agenda, your awfully nieave.
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Why do you think that you should Bully everone to supporting you, Either Militarily or Economically?
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I hate to tell you thats what countries do, they use their advantages to leverage concessions out of their neighbors, even Canada does it, and definatly Germany and France. Its just the US activities get more press. The world is an ugly place. Frankly nobody is screaming about the French role in protecting Coca plantations in Cote d Ivory while innocents die, and I think thats kinda hypocritical.
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Why do you think that everone is wrong, except you??
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Its not a matter of right and wrong, thats propoganda on all sides, the truth of the matter is all players are just looking out for their best interests, honestly morality isnt playing into it at all, and Im sticking by that one, its just most people dont want to admit it.
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Why do you think that people who hate america dont beleve in freedom or Democracy?
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Uhmm some dont, some do.
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Why do you think that everone wants to live in america Even tho that when people are ask in other countrys, if they want to live in america, They dont want to? [/B][/QUOTE]
Cause they all seem to end up moving here anyways?
There is a wonderfull story that with the release of the hostages held in Tehran during the Iranian hostage crisis one of the hostage takers actualy had the gall to ask one of the americans held captive if they would testify on their behalf when they applied for a visa. Those kinds of things tend to send mixed messages.
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Ummmm..... I'm not sure about Europeans, But Canada is a prity diverse place, and diversity is very well promoted here in canada especially in toronto. Also the word multicultural in writen in the Charter of rights anf Freedoms.
And I dont know anyone who is afraid of minorities and diversity.
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Thats because despite all the pretty words Canada is a fairly homoginous society (if you over look the whole quebec thing), you have a drasticly lower percentage of various ethnic groups, if I rember right something like 80% of your population is caucasian, versus maybe 55% here in the US. I could be off on those figures however.
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Q:Why is Canada and Europe doing nothing to help the people in Africa, China, and the Middle East?
Ummm..... Canada is sending soilders back over to afganistan on a peacekeeping Mission this summer. The the Current peacekeeping Operation is Germen lead I beleve.
I Beleve that France is Leading a peace keeping mission to Congo.
Also Canada has sent aid to Iraq to help support Health Care, Clean Water ect, ect.
And for your information, Canada and Figi Both Share a world record for PeaceKeeping
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However unlike Fiji, Candaian troops are seldom used as direct intervention forces, Canda mostly sends in support elements that are not directly exposed to harms way, then again part of this is a function of the fact that canada these days doesnt have that many combat elements. Also the US is the one who ends up supporting logisicly over 75% of the peacekeeping missions, it may not be american troops on the ground, the peacekeepers are kept fed, clothed, provided with ammo and parts by american airforce, army and navy assets.
Secondly this is at least Frances second foray into the Congo mess! they have had forces their previously and the second things started getting ugly they pulled out and the slaughter continued, the same thing happend in Rwanda. Its easy to stand around when the shooting stops, but harder to risk to protect people, just ask the dutch about that and their activities in Bosnia.