[quote]Originally posted by Messiah:
[b]My guess is also that Bin-Laden is the man responsible for this...[/b][/quote]
Be careful jumping to conclusions...remember the Murrow Federal Building in OKC. Everyone thought it was a radical terrorist group, turned out to be one lone man. Now granted whoever did this had to be highly organized, but still it may not be who we think it is. That’s the scary part about terrorism, it could be anyone.
[quote][b]I'm sure these things were prophesised somewhere.. Nostradamus, about a man from the east bombing the coordinates of New York?
[/b][/quote]
It's a year off, I believe Nosties' predictions specifically state the year 2000, but its been a long time since I've read up on him (Jr High).
Here's a question. How in the world did the terrorists convince the pilots of those planes to hit their targets? If I knew I was going to die why wouldn't I ditch the plane in the water or try to belly it on open ground? At least that way some passengers might have a chance at survival. Maybe this is what the pilot of the flight that went down in PA did. The only thing I can think of is the hijackers were also trained to fly a multi-engine jet, at least well enough to direct it toward a large structure. This points to some very serious organization; enough to get several groups of people through security with weapons (or fakes), get them on a plane, and all have them hijack the plane within a window of a couple hours.
I would be willing to bet the death toll will be well above 1000.
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[i]This is crazy. I hope I haven't brain my damaged.[/i]
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
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Yeah, and what about their B.S.ing in Yugoslavia. The valiant fight to save "the poor" Kosovore Albanians from "the evil communist Serbs". Yeesh, they should take the pistols out of their pockets before they decide to fire 'em (and hence, not hit their feet). Still, this act would be considered much overdone in the annals of poetic justice.
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156 people were on the planes... that includes crew, and thats not total number on each plane that between the two that crashed into the world trade building
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Messiah, most Muslims don't give a sh*t. They just want peace. Same goes with most Jews, even the ones in Israel. It's just the fanatics who want to suicide bomb and create widespread carnage taking hundreds, thousands or as many as they deem necessary, like you have seen today.
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[quote]Originally posted by Faylorn:
[b]Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine has claimed credit. Israel Government claims it is Osama Benladin (sp?) currently in Afghanistan.
[/b][/quote]
I try to pay quite a bit of attention to the conflict between Israel and Palestine and I don't believe that the DFLP(I don't believe that what they call themselves) has ever taken on something near as big as this. I also would have a hard time believe it’s the Taliban considering that the US has had little conflict with them other than the occasional "we don't condone your actions"
Its interesting to note that one week ago the US walked out of the UN conference on racism over language that deemed Israel racist. I wonder if there's any connection?
[quote]Originally posted by Faylorn:
[b]Messiah, most Muslims don't give a sh*t. They just want peace. Same goes with most Jews, even the ones in Israel. It's just the fanatics who want to suicide bomb and create widespread carnage taking hundreds, thousands or as many as they deem necessary, like you have seen today.
[/b][/quote]
I know... And its terrible that the fanatics can have such power... By terror...
King of Terror: 1999
Century 10, Quatrain 72
L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un gran Roy d'effrayeur.
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois.
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.
The year 1999, seventh month, [or simply "sept"]
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" /nostradamus
This is scarey guys. I used to live in NYC. My mother worked on the 89th floor of the 2nd(one with observation deck, no antenna) tower almost 15 years ago and I've been in that building many times and drivin by it many times.
I've finally gotten through to my family up in brooklyn and they are all scarey but ok. Thank god.
I hope the mother ****ers that did this rot in hell for this. They will pay.
[quote]Originally posted by Faylorn:
[b]There'll definitely be some military action on part of the U.S.
[/b][/quote]
My National Guard unit has [b]NOT[/b] been mobilized yet.
[quote]Originally posted by Messiah:
[b]I just heard that any plane still in the air over usa will be shot down, and the airports are all closed...
[/b][/quote]
Not true, planes have been allowed to land and are being diverted to the nearest airport.
As for the missing plane heading for DC it won't get through. Air Force F16s and F15s are currently in the air on partol as well as military choppers. That plane won't get through.
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I'm gonna call my brother. Hopefully, he wasn't around when that stuff happened.
May mercy be denied to whoever is responsible.
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I can't belive this is happening, it seems so unreal like something out of a movie. The thing that worries me now is the possibility of biological weapons being relesed. They could have released Anthrax and it would take a few days for us to realize what happened.
Its also troubling that a plane could have hit the pentagon, with all those defenses they have it makes you wonder if there where people on the inside helping to carry this out. Also how could all those terrorists get on so many different planes without help.
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Where did you hear that a car bomb exploded at the State Department. My brother works there and I keep getting his answering machine so I can't have him confirm that for me.
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My sympathy goes to those people and families effected by what has happened. I also hope that noone here was there today.
I believe that whoever did this deserves no mercy and they should all pay for their crimes.
"They deserve no mercy, they strike without warning, there was no reason...animals...brutal...find them, strike them...find their base and kill them...all of them...no mercy!" -Delenn, Babylon 5: In the beginning-
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Where did you hear that a car bomb exploded at the State Department. My brother works there and I keep getting his answering machine so I can't have him confirm that for me.
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I believe that was actually a mistake, there was no car bomb, at least according to Reuters...
[quote]Amid confusion, news organizations reported another explosion at the State Department but this was later denied. Other reports spoke of another hijacked plane heading toward the capital.[/quote]
For more info, the complete article is at [url="http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_dc_10.html"]http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_dc_10.html[/url]
And yahoo seems to be completely unaffected by the news sites overload, although they have very little news.
Damm
I watched on tv
VERY Sad day [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
I also don't see anyone telling them to STFU and go back inside.
Their innaction condones the actions of those many.
I have no sympathy anymore for the palastinians with their little war with Israel. I say sell Israel even more weapons now. No condemnations for brutal israeli tactics, praise them!
If the intent of the Palastinian chearing was to destroy whatever support they had left here in the US, they have succeeded wonderfully!
Anyone concerned about the effect on freedom in this country because after this is done?
In order to be safe alot of people may be willing to hand thier rights away. In my opinion that is just what the terrorists wanted.
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I just got home (everyone in NW Washington D.C. was/is heading home). Things are moving slow, but no one's panicing; in fact most people seem to be nicer than normal.
I wonder where we'll go from here?
Dave
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B5:FSF Project Leader, programmer and composer
[b]Folks, first off lets avoid letting this thread turn into an attack on certain groups or peoples.[/b]
We have no idea who committed this act, nor do we know the circumstances behind it. The people responsible should be brought to justice and be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law....being angry at an ambiguous group of people will only lead to more hate and will continue the cycle of violence.
Now is the time to voice our support for those who have survived and our prayers for those who have perished.
[b]Please do not jump to conclusions![/b]
Biggles, please watch this thread closely and shut it down if it turns into a bunch of slurs
[This message has been edited by Freejack (edited 09-11-2001).]
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[b]My guess is also that Bin-Laden is the man responsible for this...[/b][/quote]
Be careful jumping to conclusions...remember the Murrow Federal Building in OKC. Everyone thought it was a radical terrorist group, turned out to be one lone man. Now granted whoever did this had to be highly organized, but still it may not be who we think it is. That’s the scary part about terrorism, it could be anyone.
[quote][b]I'm sure these things were prophesised somewhere.. Nostradamus, about a man from the east bombing the coordinates of New York?
[/b][/quote]
It's a year off, I believe Nosties' predictions specifically state the year 2000, but its been a long time since I've read up on him (Jr High).
Here's a question. How in the world did the terrorists convince the pilots of those planes to hit their targets? If I knew I was going to die why wouldn't I ditch the plane in the water or try to belly it on open ground? At least that way some passengers might have a chance at survival. Maybe this is what the pilot of the flight that went down in PA did. The only thing I can think of is the hijackers were also trained to fly a multi-engine jet, at least well enough to direct it toward a large structure. This points to some very serious organization; enough to get several groups of people through security with weapons (or fakes), get them on a plane, and all have them hijack the plane within a window of a couple hours.
I would be willing to bet the death toll will be well above 1000.
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[i]This is crazy. I hope I haven't brain my damaged.[/i]
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
[This message has been edited by Freejack (edited 09-11-2001).]
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And the persons flying the planes into the buildings were probably not the original pilots...
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--Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller Live
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'I have no surviving enemies! None what so ever!' Galen
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--Dennis Miller, Dennis Miller Live
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[b]Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine has claimed credit. Israel Government claims it is Osama Benladin (sp?) currently in Afghanistan.
[/b][/quote]
I try to pay quite a bit of attention to the conflict between Israel and Palestine and I don't believe that the DFLP(I don't believe that what they call themselves) has ever taken on something near as big as this. I also would have a hard time believe it’s the Taliban considering that the US has had little conflict with them other than the occasional "we don't condone your actions"
Its interesting to note that one week ago the US walked out of the UN conference on racism over language that deemed Israel racist. I wonder if there's any connection?
Jake
[b]Messiah, most Muslims don't give a sh*t. They just want peace. Same goes with most Jews, even the ones in Israel. It's just the fanatics who want to suicide bomb and create widespread carnage taking hundreds, thousands or as many as they deem necessary, like you have seen today.
[/b][/quote]
I know... And its terrible that the fanatics can have such power... By terror...
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[i]This is crazy. I hope I haven't brain my damaged.[/i]
I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
sorry.. i can't say more... i'm kinda shocked...
King of Terror: 1999
Century 10, Quatrain 72
L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra un gran Roy d'effrayeur.
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois.
Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.
The year 1999, seventh month, [or simply "sept"]
From the sky will come a great King of Terror.
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" /nostradamus
I've finally gotten through to my family up in brooklyn and they are all scarey but ok. Thank god.
I hope the mother ****ers that did this rot in hell for this. They will pay.
[quote]Originally posted by Faylorn:
[b]There'll definitely be some military action on part of the U.S.
[/b][/quote]
My National Guard unit has [b]NOT[/b] been mobilized yet.
[quote]Originally posted by Messiah:
[b]I just heard that any plane still in the air over usa will be shot down, and the airports are all closed...
[/b][/quote]
Not true, planes have been allowed to land and are being diverted to the nearest airport.
As for the missing plane heading for DC it won't get through. Air Force F16s and F15s are currently in the air on partol as well as military choppers. That plane won't get through.
[This message has been edited by Ranger1 (edited 09-11-2001).]
May mercy be denied to whoever is responsible.
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[url="http://www.firstones.com"]Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope... The death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender." -G'Kar, Z'ha'Dum[/url]
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That actually fits right in...
considering it it not actually 2001 years since christ was born...
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Londo - I'll order in.[/b][/i]
Its also troubling that a plane could have hit the pentagon, with all those defenses they have it makes you wonder if there where people on the inside helping to carry this out. Also how could all those terrorists get on so many different planes without help.
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Anyone else listening???
BTW the Taliban released a statement.....At least they didnt claim responsibility....
Where did you hear that a car bomb exploded at the State Department. My brother works there and I keep getting his answering machine so I can't have him confirm that for me.
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[url="http://www.firstones.com"]Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope... The death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender." -G'Kar, Z'ha'Dum[/url]
[url="http://www.members.tripod.com/mtusa"]Untitled 04-29-01[/url] [url="http://www.firstones.com"]Respect my Firstone status.[/url]
I believe that whoever did this deserves no mercy and they should all pay for their crimes.
"They deserve no mercy, they strike without warning, there was no reason...animals...brutal...find them, strike them...find their base and kill them...all of them...no mercy!" -Delenn, Babylon 5: In the beginning-
Worf
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The ****ing Palestians are CHEERING over this! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/mad.gif[/img]
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[b]Faylorn,
Where did you hear that a car bomb exploded at the State Department. My brother works there and I keep getting his answering machine so I can't have him confirm that for me.
[/b][/quote]
I believe that was actually a mistake, there was no car bomb, at least according to Reuters...
[quote]Amid confusion, news organizations reported another explosion at the State Department but this was later denied. Other reports spoke of another hijacked plane heading toward the capital.[/quote]
For more info, the complete article is at [url="http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_dc_10.html"]http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010911/ts/crash_tradecenter_dc_10.html[/url]
And yahoo seems to be completely unaffected by the news sites overload, although they have very little news.
I watched on tv
VERY Sad day [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img]
[b]Ok, this pisses me off to no end!
The ****ing Palestians are CHEERING over this! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/mad.gif[/img]
[/b][/quote]
Do not judge all by the one, or the many...
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Vir - Are you saying you don't trust me anymore? I made your favourite, Spoo.
Londo - I'll order in.[/b][/i]
Their innaction condones the actions of those many.
I have no sympathy anymore for the palastinians with their little war with Israel. I say sell Israel even more weapons now. No condemnations for brutal israeli tactics, praise them!
If the intent of the Palastinian chearing was to destroy whatever support they had left here in the US, they have succeeded wonderfully!
In order to be safe alot of people may be willing to hand thier rights away. In my opinion that is just what the terrorists wanted.
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We Live as one, We die as one, We will face the darkness as one.
"Understanding is a Three Edged Sword- Your side, Their side, And the Truth...."
I wonder where we'll go from here?
Dave
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David MacCormack
B5:FSF Project Leader, programmer and composer
We have no idea who committed this act, nor do we know the circumstances behind it. The people responsible should be brought to justice and be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law....being angry at an ambiguous group of people will only lead to more hate and will continue the cycle of violence.
Now is the time to voice our support for those who have survived and our prayers for those who have perished.
[b]Please do not jump to conclusions![/b]
Biggles, please watch this thread closely and shut it down if it turns into a bunch of slurs
[This message has been edited by Freejack (edited 09-11-2001).]