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I'm getting sick of this...
Space Ghost
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[url]http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/index.html[/url]
I don't like the French anymore than the next guy, but I'm tried of crap like this. Don't we have bigger things to worry about then what is being served in the cafeteria? We did the same thing during WWI when we renamed Sauerkraut "Liberty Cabbage." It was stupid then and it's even stupider now.
I diagree with the war in Iraq. Does that mean they're going to change my name as well? I'm proud to be an American, but stuff like this makes me ashamed of our leaders.
Sorry, I just had to vent.
I don't like the French anymore than the next guy, but I'm tried of crap like this. Don't we have bigger things to worry about then what is being served in the cafeteria? We did the same thing during WWI when we renamed Sauerkraut "Liberty Cabbage." It was stupid then and it's even stupider now.
I diagree with the war in Iraq. Does that mean they're going to change my name as well? I'm proud to be an American, but stuff like this makes me ashamed of our leaders.
Sorry, I just had to vent.
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They shall always be french toast and french fries IMO, and I don't think that it will catch on.
:)
Hey, by the way... What do you call 150,000 men with their hands in the air?
:D
[B]Heh! I think it's amusing myself...
:)
Hey, by the way... What do you call 150,000 men with their hands in the air?
:D [/B][/QUOTE]
The French army. :rolleyes:
Idle thought: Why is it everyone remembers when the French leadership collaberated with the Nazis and interpret that as being pacifistic wussies, but they always forget about when the French took over, say, the whole of Eastern Europe.
Just wondering.
Secondly, THEY ARE FROM BELGIUM! NOT FRANCE!!
They are Belgian fries! or maybe Belgie fries!!!
[I]BELGIAN [/I] damnit!
great, now Im hungry
[B]The French army. :rolleyes:
Idle thought: Why is it everyone remembers when the French leadership collaberated with the Nazis and interpret that as being pacifistic wussies, but they always forget about when the French took over, say, the whole of Eastern Europe.
Just wondering. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats because Napolean was a Corsican, which has its own language and cultural traditions (violence being one of them, some of the Corsican blood fueds tried to persist into the 20th century) secondly, if you look at the history of europe you will se that most of the nations ath that time were having alot of stablility problems that napoleon was able to capatlise on.
The problem is since the death of Louie the XIV, france has had mostly abysmal leadership, politicly and militarily.
In world war 1 the american expidiatary forces were able to do more with less equipment because our leadership was more effective then the french, who had whole ARMIES mutiny TWICE.
infact the german offensive of April 1918 almost succeded except for the presence of the third infantry (US) at the Marne, which in the face of a deserting 6th french army, held a sizable portion of the line till the english forces could arive.
Actualy if you want to trace it back you could show it was the failure of the french high command to learn from their performance in the Franco Prussian war of 1870, that doomed them to being ineffective in WW1.
And then they failed to learn anything and were horribly unproductive in WWII. They had excellent tanks that were mechanicly reliable and WAY superior to the early panzer mks they were facing. The char 1 BIS was well armed and armored, with good speed and handling and should have dominated of the PzKfwg I and II's and stood even with the handfull of pzkfwg III's the germans had in 1940 (rember the cool tanks werent on sceen yet! no Panthers or Tigers!)
The french even had 400 of the Char 1's along with about a 1000 smaller tanks, but again, poor planning and execution wasted them, and the potential of the French army to resist the Blitzkrieg.
the french airforce had another problem, low aircraft avalibility due to parts being sabatogued by communist sympathisers, who were being controlled by COMINTERN, but thats another argument.
All in all however it is kind of vexing when a foreign nation spends more of its blood by a factor of four then you did in defending it.
And dont get me started on the wacky hijinks of the french navy, they became Nazi co-beligerants...
Actualy the key to success in combat seems to be leadership and discipline. The French army possesed neither (with a few notable exceptions)
[B]The French army. :rolleyes: ...[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually I was gonna say Job Fair day here in Fresno, California, USA...
;)
That reminds like of a US Licance plate I saw today...
Its said
"Live Free, Or die"
Does'nt that tell you what Americans are all about.
(P.S. If you want real Real Life Intertainment, Watch the MP in the Canadian House is Commons)
It tells you Americans prefer to die, rather than submit to tyranny. Its a concept rooted not in America, but in the very nature of humanity, in that unyeilding determination to be free no matter the cost.
But the Licance plate makes it sould like that.... If your not a free Country, we are going to Bomb the shit out of you
[B]Uh.... I would Reather live(Reather Red, Then Dead)
But the License plate makes it sound like that.... If your not a free Country, we are going to Bomb the shit out of you [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, that's a new interpretation. I'm sure the New Hampshire Committee of People Who Make Up State Mottos weren't thinking quite that way.
[b]WARNING: The following paragraph is Cathartic Sarcasm, more for the benefit of myself than anyone else. Read at your own risk. Parental desecration is advised. Look both ways before crossing the street.[/b]
Oh, my, what's that whirring sound? Why, I believe it's Patrick "Give me liberty, or give me death!" Henry twirling in his grave! :rolleyes:
[b]SARCASM ENDS.[/b]
A little history lesson: The phrase "Live free or die" is based on a phrase in a speech by Patrick Henry, a famous writer and orator of the Revolutionary era. His main specialty was getting people fired up about the prospect of throwing off British oppression, hence his fiery rhetoric such as "Give me liberty, or give me death!". It comes from a time when a group of people decided that they were mad as hell and wouldn't take it anymore, and would govern themselves or die trying.
When we (or rather, the motorists of the fine state of New Hampshire) say "Live free or die", we are evoking the feelings of men like Patrick Henry. We aren't saying, "You better [b]live free[/b], 'cause if you don't, we're gonna make you [b]die[/b]," which is more than a little overly belligerent, but "We are going to [b]live free or die[/b] trying", which is more self-determination than anything else.
But then, look hard enough, and you'll find that "Peace on Earth, and good will towards men," is crazy warmongering, too ("Goodwill towards men? So the women and the children and the fuzzy animals don't get any respect...!?).
You what the last war the French won was? The French Revolution.
WWI doesn't count, they had to be bailed out (as in WWII).
Regarding changing the names of French toast and French fries - that's stupid - let's try and move beyond the schoolyard.
For those who need a practical reason not to do it - Why hurt the US economy with more "menu and shoeleather costs?"
Funny thing is, No one would Beleve them, That they are being Invaded.
Ex:
Iran on the Phone to UN
Iran: We are being invaded by New Zealand
UN: Of shure you are
Iran: Yes they are
UN: New Zealand would never invaded another country
Iran: But.....
UN: Just Give them Beer And they will go away
Iran: *Noise in back Ground*
UN: Is Everthing ok......
Iran: (In an non Irani Voice) Yes Everthing thing is fine, That Other Guy on the Phone, Was lieing about about New Zealand, Canada and a few other countrys that Snaped and invading Iran. Thats Just Silly. They would Never invade another country, Do that Even Have an Army to do so???
UN: Did'nt He say New Zealand was Invading,
Iran: Yes....
UN: How Come you said canada and a few other countrys
Iran: No I did not.
"Look out! It's NZ's two frigates and sole troop transport, come to invade us!"
[B]Thats plane Stupid.....
That reminds like of a US Licance plate I saw today...
Its said
"Live Free, Or die"
Does'nt that tell you what Americans are all about.
(P.S. If you want real Real Life Intertainment, Watch the MP in the Canadian House is Commons) [/B][/QUOTE]
Psht. Simmonds your being bullheaded, and reading things into the statement from your own mindset not from any objectivist stance or communication of ideas.
And at one point, international commentators were saying things like "I can picture the day when the US invades someone!"
Canada, and New Zeland were part of the English empire till the last half of the 20th century, so they only have about 50 years of independent foreign policy amongst them, Although I do believe New Zeland has been involved in some "policing" of the Solomons and other territories,
Australia itself has been playing some rather interesting games with its neighbors to the north, but then again the Inodesians are crazy so the whole East Timor thing and its role in the whole Papa Newguinea (sp?) is understandable, the indoneisans got issues.
Sweeden, well, a couple hundered years ago it was a power player, and now it just kinda goes along with the flow, working with who ever seems to have the biggest pull, very, very quietly hard core realist nation there, but its main goal is self preservation by accomidation, works when you dont have much else to work with.
Finland was an active participant in WWII, even though the Russians ultimatly won, and forced the Fins into a "special relationship" Actualy the damn 50 years of the cold war one of the pressing questions was, "What the hell are the finns going to do?!" They had some treaties with the USSR, non agression, others, but we knew there was still somewhere some resentment against the USSR (check a finish map from the 30's or was it earlier? versus a modern one to figure out why)
hell, Finns you comment about this, whose side were you gonna be on? or would the country hunker down as everybody fought it out?
[B]No actually France has done quite well in its last few police actions/battles/skirmishes/wars, especially in Africa. They've been dropping their paratroopers all over the place and have been settling local strife and establishing their interests in positions of power. Funny thing is I don't recall them ever asking for UN approval. :rolleyes:
Regarding changing the names of French toast and French fries - that's stupid - let's try and move beyond the schoolyard.
For those who need a practical reason not to do it - Why hurt the US economy with more "menu and shoeleather costs?" [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, but those are not your garden veriety french troops, your looking at FFL and other highly specialized units, of which the french have about the equivilent of an american division.
But your right, nobody seems to be pointing out how the french are running around,
Lets see, where is the french army currently at? Sierra leon, Cote d'Ivoire "No Blood for Cocoa!!" oh wait nobody says that? they are also in a about 8 other places in africa, most of them WITHOUT UN mandate
what about the Oil fields lying offshore "No blood for oil!"
Bloody hypocrites.
[B]next up...Freedom Kissing! Tonsil hockey for your country! [/B][/QUOTE]
w00t! gonna try that one out! dallying for democracy baby! ;)
[B]Psht. Simmonds your being bullheaded, and reading things into the statement from your own mindset not from any objectivist stance or communication of ideas.
And at one point, international commentators were saying things like "I can picture the day when the US invades someone!"
Canada, and New Zeland were part of the English empire till the last half of the 20th century, so they only have about 50 years of independent foreign policy amongst them, Although I do believe New Zeland has been involved in some "policing" of the Solomons and other territories,
Australia itself has been playing some rather interesting games with its neighbors to the north, but then again the Inodesians are crazy so the whole East Timor thing and its role in the whole Papa Newguinea (sp?) is understandable, the indoneisans got issues.
Sweeden, well, a couple hundered years ago it was a power player, and now it just kinda goes along with the flow, working with who ever seems to have the biggest pull, very, very quietly hard core realist nation there, but its main goal is self preservation by accomidation, works when you dont have much else to work with.
Finland was an active participant in WWII, even though the Russians ultimatly won, and forced the Fins into a "special relationship" Actualy the damn 50 years of the cold war one of the pressing questions was, "What the hell are the finns going to do?!" They had some treaties with the USSR, non agression, others, but we knew there was still somewhere some resentment against the USSR (check a finish map from the 30's or was it earlier? versus a modern one to figure out why)
hell, Finns you comment about this, whose side were you gonna be on? or would the country hunker down as everybody fought it out? [/B][/QUOTE]
You cant Realy Understand the aspects of a joke.....
I knew that Sweden was a big player 200 years ago, Untill they went neutral. I knew that finland was at war with russia in WWII... And yes I knew that Canada, New zealand and other countrys were apart of Britan 50 years go.
The Only country that does not seem to do anything is Canada that list. I should mind you that Canada played a very big role in WW1 and WW2. Canada in WW2 had almost 1 Million people in the Armed Forces. We had the 3rd Largest Allied Navy. We took part in the Korean War, and the Gulf War and in Afganistan. And 40 of the 49 UN Peacekeeping Missions(We hold the record along with Fiji)
The Hole Idea of the Joke was, That these countrys you dont hear much about in the new...... These countrys Dont get into wars Much. There MOstly Peaceful Countrys, which dont have very large armed forces. And they mite snap some day.
LOL
[B]NZ invading somewhere? Ha! That would be worth seeing! :D
"Look out! It's NZ's two frigates and sole troop transport, come to invade us!" [/B][/QUOTE]
Dont worrie, Those 12 advanced Canadian Figates and 4 destroyers Will help. and other navys:cool: