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ArgoneArgone Genuine Klingon
Why do we here in the US coddle our law breakers and give them more rights than the victims? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/confused.gif[/img]

I know in many other countries it is not like this.

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  • Captain,SimmondsCaptain,Simmonds Trainee trainee
    Its to show that we are better then them

    [This message has been edited by Captain,Simmonds (edited 01-10-2003).]
  • You forgot (or editted out) the qualification for that sentence, Simmonds - whom are you trying to demonstrate your superiority over?

    Argone, that's a complaint you'll hear from a great many liberal democracies - I must have heard the same complaint about a dozen times this week in the UK, and have a great deal of empathy with it myself.

    If you were looking for an answer, try something like political correctness gone too far; or maybe just liberalism itself, trying to safeguard the rights of the individual (for the most part)... including those individuals who actively break the laws of society.

    As for things being different in other countries; well, I'm sure in many cases it is, but it's hard to tell from a difference - the old adage that the grass looks greener on the other side never rings truer.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    What are you refering to? Perhaps the incident on New Year's Day when a trooper blew off a family's dog's head?

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  • Heh, did that happen? I'm sure it's not as funny as it just sounded...
  • RandyRandy Master Storyteller
    There's always going to be a dynamic tension between protecting individual rights and the society's integrity. That's how it should be IMHO. It's in how we deal with that tension that illuminates who we are as a people.
  • ArgoneArgone Genuine Klingon
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b]What are you refering to? Perhaps the incident on New Year's Day when a trooper blew off a family's dog's head?

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    Should have expained it better,{[i]oh goofy me[/i]}

    Nah I was refering to crimmials, hardcore, that get sentences of 25-life, for say murder, and get out in 10 years on good behavior.

    Damn I think they need to bring back the chain gangs and make these people pay their depts.

    But thats just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]



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  • Or you could just put them up against the wall and shoot them...

    That seems to be a sentiment that's gaining increasing weight these days.
  • PJHPJH The Lovely Thing
    Unfortunately.

    - PJH
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [quote]Originally posted by Mr_Bungle:
    [b]Heh, did that happen? I'm sure it's not as funny as it just sounded...[/b][/quote]

    No, its not funny at all. Bastard did it right infront of a child too! The dog wasn't even a threat in any way! Damn thing wasn't much bigger than my size 12 boot. See, its favorite game was "chase the light"...and guess what our trigger-happy redneck had on his shotgun that he was so happy to pull the trigger on? The *censored* had the gall to make JOKES about it afterwards [b]infront of the whole family[/b] with his fellow "officers".

    All I can say is that if that were my dog, they would have to kill me to pull me off of that bastard because I would beat him within an inch of his life if he was lucky.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Got it in one, Vert.

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  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b]Got it in one, Vert.

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    Yeah. Its also a very sensitive topic with me so I'll let that be my last comment on it.

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  • IMO, if someone can be proven beyond a doubt to have murdered in cold blood, sentance them to 1year solitary confinment (I'm talking the hole) if no new evidence, then shoot the bastered.

    if it was a crime of passion/heat of the moment/accident, well, current standards or ok there.

    Rape...nasty there...
    if proven beyond a doubt, nuter the basterd in a painful manner (Like a rubber mallot) then give him a year in the hole, then three in prison.


    but thats just my opinion....

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  • FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
    As Randy was alluding to, there is a delicate balance in any free society between overly abusive punishment and being too lenient.

    Our system (the US) is based on several basic principles, one of them being reform instead of punishment. The idea that behaviors, especially those resulting in "lesser" crimes can be modified to improve the person. While the idea is philosophically valid, our prison system does little to reform or change individuals.

    Another principle is innocent until proven guilty. That’s why we cannot just grab a murderer, throw him to the courts and then throw a rope around his neck. This is also why individuals who have been sentenced to death sit for 10+ years on death row, waiting for their sentenced to be carried out, while appeals and safeguards are tested.

    Actually I am not a big supporter of the death penalty, not from a philosophical standpoint, but from a practical. It cost more money, due to the appeals process, to put someone to death, than it does to incarcerate him or her for life.

    Am I proposing a solution to some of these problems? No, I do not have the answer, but I do not think we coddle criminals needlessly. What I do think is that we, as a society, do not put enough emphasis on the victims and the damage they have suffered.

    Sorry for the ramble, this topic just brought a lot of thoughts to my head.

    Jake
  • thats why I said lock them up for a year before being sentanced, in these days, that is plenty of time for new evidence to be found. and as I said, it origenally has to be proven beyond a doubt.

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  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    Actually, we do coddle criminals needlessly. Hell, they have a weight room, internet access, TV, all the pleasures of home. During the winter, people actually commit crimes JUST to get into a cell so they won't freeze their asses off and know that they get all that shit for free while the rest of us bust our asses to earn a living to pay for that shit.

    Last I checked, prison is supposed to be hell on earth, not a bloody retirement home. But wait...it would be immoral of us to make them bust up some rocks or work in a chain gang. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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  • ArgoneArgone Genuine Klingon
    My sediments exactly Vertigo1, They get things, that some hardworking people can't afford, handed to them and if it's just not right they get a free attorney and sue the state.

    They should have to repay society through work to better things for all. Ie Clean up roadsides, help farmers for free, whatever manual hard labor job is needing to be done!
    If they done want to do some kind of work you don't eat period.

    And I do agree about the shoting of the dog, that cop should be suppended pending separation and sued.

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    [This message has been edited by Argone (edited 01-15-2003).]
  • I agree Vert. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    Although I think Florida is kinda nice...they have gone to clothing criminals in the old "Black and White stripes" and have them cleaning up roadsides/other small jobs.

    quite nice. but still...they get cable, internet, etc...

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