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Argone
Genuine Klingon
in Zocalo v2.0
Why do we here in the US coddle our law breakers and give them more rights than the victims? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/confused.gif[/img]
I know in many other countries it is not like this.
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[b]May You Live Forever, and The Last Voice You Hear, Be Mine! [/b]
I know in many other countries it is not like this.
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[b]May You Live Forever, and The Last Voice You Hear, Be Mine! [/b]
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[This message has been edited by Captain,Simmonds (edited 01-10-2003).]
Argone, that's a complaint you'll hear from a great many liberal democracies - I must have heard the same complaint about a dozen times this week in the UK, and have a great deal of empathy with it myself.
If you were looking for an answer, try something like political correctness gone too far; or maybe just liberalism itself, trying to safeguard the rights of the individual (for the most part)... including those individuals who actively break the laws of society.
As for things being different in other countries; well, I'm sure in many cases it is, but it's hard to tell from a difference - the old adage that the grass looks greener on the other side never rings truer.
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"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]What are you refering to? Perhaps the incident on New Year's Day when a trooper blew off a family's dog's head?
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Should have expained it better,{[i]oh goofy me[/i]}
Nah I was refering to crimmials, hardcore, that get sentences of 25-life, for say murder, and get out in 10 years on good behavior.
Damn I think they need to bring back the chain gangs and make these people pay their depts.
But thats just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
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That seems to be a sentiment that's gaining increasing weight these days.
- PJH
[b]Heh, did that happen? I'm sure it's not as funny as it just sounded...[/b][/quote]
No, its not funny at all. Bastard did it right infront of a child too! The dog wasn't even a threat in any way! Damn thing wasn't much bigger than my size 12 boot. See, its favorite game was "chase the light"...and guess what our trigger-happy redneck had on his shotgun that he was so happy to pull the trigger on? The *censored* had the gall to make JOKES about it afterwards [b]infront of the whole family[/b] with his fellow "officers".
All I can say is that if that were my dog, they would have to kill me to pull me off of that bastard because I would beat him within an inch of his life if he was lucky.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]Got it in one, Vert.
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Yeah. Its also a very sensitive topic with me so I'll let that be my last comment on it.
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"Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else! Love to stay! Can't, have to go! Kiss! Kiss! Love! Love! Bye! *kiss*" - G'Kar
if it was a crime of passion/heat of the moment/accident, well, current standards or ok there.
Rape...nasty there...
if proven beyond a doubt, nuter the basterd in a painful manner (Like a rubber mallot) then give him a year in the hole, then three in prison.
but thats just my opinion....
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Our system (the US) is based on several basic principles, one of them being reform instead of punishment. The idea that behaviors, especially those resulting in "lesser" crimes can be modified to improve the person. While the idea is philosophically valid, our prison system does little to reform or change individuals.
Another principle is innocent until proven guilty. That’s why we cannot just grab a murderer, throw him to the courts and then throw a rope around his neck. This is also why individuals who have been sentenced to death sit for 10+ years on death row, waiting for their sentenced to be carried out, while appeals and safeguards are tested.
Actually I am not a big supporter of the death penalty, not from a philosophical standpoint, but from a practical. It cost more money, due to the appeals process, to put someone to death, than it does to incarcerate him or her for life.
Am I proposing a solution to some of these problems? No, I do not have the answer, but I do not think we coddle criminals needlessly. What I do think is that we, as a society, do not put enough emphasis on the victims and the damage they have suffered.
Sorry for the ramble, this topic just brought a lot of thoughts to my head.
Jake
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[b]Sanfam: [/b]"And Drazi didn't like it one bit.-
[b]Mr.Bungle: [/b][i]"So that's where the forum went..."[/i]-
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Last I checked, prison is supposed to be hell on earth, not a bloody retirement home. But wait...it would be immoral of us to make them bust up some rocks or work in a chain gang. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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They should have to repay society through work to better things for all. Ie Clean up roadsides, help farmers for free, whatever manual hard labor job is needing to be done!
If they done want to do some kind of work you don't eat period.
And I do agree about the shoting of the dog, that cop should be suppended pending separation and sued.
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[This message has been edited by Argone (edited 01-15-2003).]
Although I think Florida is kinda nice...they have gone to clothing criminals in the old "Black and White stripes" and have them cleaning up roadsides/other small jobs.
quite nice. but still...they get cable, internet, etc...
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[b]whitestar90: [/b]"it would give the computer a heartattack just looking at it" -
[b]Sanfam: [/b]"And Drazi didn't like it one bit.-
[b]Mr.Bungle: [/b][i]"So that's where the forum went..."[/i]-
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