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I am leaving here for a while.
Messiah
Failed Experiment
in Zocalo v2.0
For the last couple of weeks Ive noticed a lot of changes here, mainly for the worse. I am leaving one word here for you to ponder upon 'brainwash'.
'the truth attends to itself', I will return when it does.
Until then.
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Talk is silver, but violence is gold.
'the truth attends to itself', I will return when it does.
Until then.
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Talk is silver, but violence is gold.
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[This message has been edited by Biggles (edited 12-07-2002).]
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[b]How about a room for people to have their political arguments in?
Worf
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I agree. With the rules of: No Flame Wars and Keep it PC.
But I do agree with the actions taken by both Biggles and Striker. They prevented what could become a nasty flame war.
While I'm still absorbing what exactly went on, I will say that more than a few of your are really overreacting to a situation which is really quite basic. If you felt it was becoming a personal "thing", you should have backed out a bit sooner. You could have easily left at any time. But the big thing is this: None of the posts in the thread appear to have any traits that would elicit such a reaction. I don't know what happened, but something seems to have clicked in all those participating. I'm certainly out of the loop. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif[/img]
Well, I'll continue looking into it.
*whoosh*
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In my opinion You are making a mistake leaving here! This is the best site I have found!
People here accept you for what you are, Hell I'am a prime example, just because I am ol... not quite as young as most of them they still accept me!
I would appreciate having you stay.
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The bastard
The only problem being that there are a great many here who seem unfamiliar with the concept - debates, by definition, tend to be constructive, working towards the creation of an end view. A great many here seem incapable of accepting alternate views, even when backed up to the point of irrefutability - that's when it seems to become personal, when people fall blindly back upon a viewpoint they consider almost a part of themselves.
Ah well, I'd stay - but if you're a moth, and you like flames, expect to get burnt.
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Talk is silver, but violence is gold.
I only found three places on the internet where people are civil to eachother. B5TV.com, darwinawards.com and here.
This is an odd place indeed. You wont find many others like it.
[b]Messiah, you are just letting the views of one or two people get in the way. Many people here do not think like that.[/b][/quote]
Exactly. Leaving because of the actions of a couple of bigots is, to be blunt, stupid. There will always be idiots online as long as there are AOL commercials. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
[quote][b]This is an odd place indeed. You wont find many others like it.[/b][/quote]
You have no idea how true this is. This is by far the most relaxed forum that I post on. (in both moderation and overall attitude) That only speaks well of not only the staff, but its members as well.
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[b]Vertigo, let's not have any namecalling, even indirect. We don't want to turn this thread into a flamewar.[/b][/quote]
See that thing at the end? Its called a smilie. Incase you didn't notice it was this little bastard: [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] I had hoped that it was a fair indicator that [b]I WAS BEING SARCASTIC![/b] (hense my rank title) but obviously I was wrong.
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"Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else! Love to stay! Can't, have to go! Kiss! Kiss! Love! Love! Bye! *kiss*" - G'Kar
Just goes to show you that even if you're kidding, not everyone will see it that way. Even if you ARE being sarcastic, those are pretty harsh words.
That smiley in your post was vague. Was it a wink to the person you were addressing? Was it a wink about AOL users?
This is already a sensitive topic, and you should avoid using strong words like that. Some threads have already become heated. The last thing we need is a misunderstanding.
[This message has been edited by samuelk (edited 12-09-2002).]
[b]Ah shit, you all need counseling! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
I agree kinda like working with children!
Way to much reading things into posts that are not there!
Gentleman please Let us all act at least a little like intelligent creatures.
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]
[b]For the last couple of weeks Ive noticed a lot of changes here, mainly for the worse. I am leaving one word here for you to ponder upon 'brainwash'.
'the truth attends to itself', I will return when it does.
Until then.
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You'd be surprised how many times I've thought that about you liberals. I stay because, by hearing the out the arguments of one's opposing side, one becomse wiser. That good 'ol three-edged sword - your side, their side, and the truth. And if, at the end of the day, one of you has seen some semblance of sanity in what I say (ard to do sometimes) and changed your mind, then I sleep better at night.
There are idiots out there. However, it is dangerous to lump too many people into that category. People make decisions based on the information they recieve. Instead of asking "What are they smoking?" a better question would be "Why do they think what they think?"
I can't speak for everyone who gets involved in the political discussions here, but for my part I harbor no ill will toward the opposing side in any debate. I can't say, though, that I never get emotional about it in the heat of the moment - it's something we'll all do, and it only proves that we're human. That's why I have no problem with political discussions unless they turn into an all-out flamewar. Nothing constructive is being said. Freedom of speech was an issue for the founding fathers because [i]constructive[/i] speech, speech and debate that could have prevented a war, was censored and prevented. The people who wrote the first ammendment would object to immature, pointless name-calling just in the same manner that Biggles, Sanfam, and Striker are responding to it now. There's no good reason, at all, for it to happen. Somewhere, I think we can all agree there is a line between free speech and anarchy.
Don't take this as an insult, veiled or otherwise. It isn't. I'm only trying to help out a fellow Firstone here. Croxis is right. This isn't such a bad place to be. I haven't ventured much beyond the safety of these forums, but I've seen enough. Heck, I've seen Canadians crying out 'death to america' because of that tragic incident of friendly fire in Afghanistan. Those are idiots. Real idiots are actually few and far between here.
For some reason I absent-mindedly took apart my keyboard while I was typing. Thus, I think I've said all I have to say. Just have faith, comrade.
I don't know if I'm reading too much, but it's possible that I might be misinterpreting the "insults".... but that should at least show that it's possible someone else might do the same, and that's how many flamewars start.
[quote]Sam, you have not minded people using "insults" before, no should there any change just because of two bad topics.[/quote]
Actually, I have minded. But it was not my place to say anything before. Now that I'm a moderator, it's my job to help keep things in line.
[b]I have beed quoted from twice and mentioned by name once in the past 24 hours! Whats going on?! :uberblink:[/b][/quote]
That happens when you say intelligent things.
Oh, and I guess this makes three [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
I didnt really care what anybody thought, Ive been called worse I think, and by people who actualy KNOW me..
Now Im going to go take my bigoted self and plot my horribly bigoted agenda.. mainly trying to figure out what really nice Christitmass gift will placate a friend of mine. Since I havent called her in the past three months.. because you know, the reason I didnt call her because she's [i]asian[/i]
pfft yeah right. didnt stop me for falling for her at one point. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
now, hip hop music, I HATE that, so am I anti black now.. damn but I love my John Coletrain! ahh heh..
Ethnicity is an artificial distinction mostly anyways. now Culture! woo doggy there we go.. god damn HATE the French [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
*love french bread and wine though.. along with some other things.. thats it Im gonna CONQUER FRANCE! w00t!
[This message has been edited by Tyvar (edited 12-10-2002).]