Im off to bed now, so il be turning off the computer. I dont know how long the map of B5 will stay up without anyone there.
Hopefully when its finished, there will be people in there alot so it wont vanish that often.
Worf
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Worf: Ill have to have a go later.... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
The 3d stuff: Excluding the outdoors stuff, it would be reasonably easy to do the indoors stuff right, just the places that you see heaps in the show, like the council chambers, and the garden(you could just have a background pic of the interior). What kind of engine would be easiest to do that in?? (absolutly don't know 3d-engines very well [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img])
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[quote]Originally posted by samuelk:
[b]How about using the V12 engine? There's a poetic irony here; bear with me. The V12 engine is the Tribes 2 engine without the Tribes 2-specific elements (models, textures, sounds etc.). Garage Games (which is composed of many former Tribes 2 developers) have purchased the engine from Sierra and you can license the engine for only $100.
The engine is great at doing massive outdoor AND indoor areas.
Wouldn't it be great to use Sierra's own engine to creat a B5 game? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by samuelk (edited 06-20-2001).][/b][/quote]
Defiantely not a bad idea there!
This should be seriously considered. I think we're really getting places now [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Just a questio: It does sound good, but how would we get the money for it... I know its not that much, but how would you do it???
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Aint life great :) :) :)
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
well actually i think, if it would be dedicated team, it wouldn't even be a big problem to get the money... i think 10-20 bucks shouldn't be that much compared to what you get... (with a 5 person team, it would be 20, the more people, the less money)
If i were on the team, i'd pay my part [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
(but, sorry, i don't have time, allthough i'd love to be ... )
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I would be willing to fork out a bit for it.
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I understand the idea of each of the team dishing out a little moola guys (Im not quite that dumb, maybe close thought [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]), but how to get it together, I mean, this place is rather disparate in its actually physical locations, and not everyone interseted in helping out(read: me)has a credit card or such to send via the internet (nor would I use a credit card that way anyway). So how???
Just another good old fashioned rant from mwa [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Iv posted it up again, its in the same place as before.
Worf
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Worf...I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but it sounds cool...I'll give it a shot soon
Samuelk & Sanfam...I think the Tribes2 engine idea is great. If we are going to try to do a Firstones B5 shooter this could be the way to go...I'll donate a couple of bucks and some time if I can.
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[quote]Originally posted by Zosolias:
[b]Ok, I've been walking around there. Weird...
And empty.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, Maybe I should put a few "NPC" objects in when i do the graphics.
Its wierd in what way?
Worf
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Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I must remember to try that tonight...
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Sounds very interesting guys.... so its $100 to license the engine... there should be enough of us here to chip in and make it really cheap. But then again gathering the money maybe a problem as mentioned earlier. I could send a money order, but its a £10 charge from the bank to do one, which is a reall pain. We're going to have to think this one through.
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'I have no surviving enemies! None what so ever!' Galen
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This shouldn't be a big problem. I know that it's considered as not safe but I have sent dollar notes which I bought from my bank via mail to someone in the USA when I wanted to purchase a record.
Never had problems with that solution. Plus: it's the cheapest way [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img].
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You could go for an open source model aling the lines of mozill.org.
Get a central server for holding the code and then all the devs/modders check code in and out of the "tree".
Even better than making a B5 game using T2 is to make a B5 game using T2 then give it away for free download!!! Make them wankers at Sierra wish they had not crossed the lin.
You could then add new missions as they are developed and make thwem available for download.
If the license is 100 dollars I will likely buy it anyway just to play about with [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
[quote]Originally posted by Babylon6:
[b]
Even better than making a B5 game using T2 is to make a B5 game using T2 then give it away for free download.
[/b][/quote]
Yeah, that'd be cool.... and if i think about what i spend my money for, there are a couple of things where i could spare a few bucks...
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Looks like we have a lot of takers.
Of course, the ultimate engine would be one that could have gravity going in multiple directions, because then you could do a true inside of B5. Imagine firing rockets at someone who to you is upside down half a mile up. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Language of Hope:
[b]This shouldn't be a big problem. I know that it's considered as not safe but I have sent dollar notes which I bought from my bank via mail to someone in the USA when I wanted to purchase a record.
Never had problems with that solution. Plus: it's the cheapest way [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img].
[/b][/quote]
Yeah I've done that before, but it was only $5 so it wouldnot have been a disaster if it had gone missing.
We need to make a decision as to what to do, i.e. make a list of people who can work on the mod, and the list of people willing to contribute towards the license. All I can really offer is web design skills. I could build a really nice website to front the work we're doing.
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'I have no surviving enemies! None what so ever!' Galen
Visit my B5 site at: [url="http://babylon5.acmecity.com/alliance/110"]http://babylon5.acmecity.com/alliance/110[/url]
The V12/Tribes 2 engine is superb at large scale layouts. Just play T2 for half an hour and you will see this.
Secondly, it uses Newtonian physics so we get proper "B5 gravity".
For me its the best engine choice.
However, I cannot see the cost of licensing T2 being 100 US dollars. No way. If that was the case, everyone would just use it for their games and not bother developing their own engines. Or have I missed something? Hope it is just 100 dollars [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Also, are we talking a total conversion or an actual new game? From that stems the question of would we need to get a license from Warner Bros?
[This message has been edited by Babylon6 (edited 06-23-2001).]
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
The licensing cost IS 100 Dollars according to voodooextreme... and i haven't seen a retractation (or what ever..)
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[quote]Originally posted by Babylon6:
[b]Also, are we talking a total conversion or an actual new game? From that stems the question of would we need to get a license from Warner Bros?
[/b][/quote]
You only need the license if you are going to sell it, which we arn't.
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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
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ohhh... shooting at ppl upside down... I like it [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Just let me know... Im really interested in helping out on this project... it sounds cool [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Yes. We most definately cannot sell it. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I would like to, but no. The b5 license would hurt my wallet very badly [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif[/img]
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A perfekt concert my best friend
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If only my heart had a home
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Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
One thing to remember when volunteering: A mod needs people who are going to be commited, not people who say things like "sure, I'll draw a nice tree" then do nothing else.
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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
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Hopefully when its finished, there will be people in there alot so it wont vanish that often.
Worf
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Join the fight for freedom at [url="http://www.newrepublic.de"]http://www.newrepublic.de[/url] and [url="http://www.isd-imperium.co.uk"]http://www.isd-imperium.co.uk[/url]
The 3d stuff: Excluding the outdoors stuff, it would be reasonably easy to do the indoors stuff right, just the places that you see heaps in the show, like the council chambers, and the garden(you could just have a background pic of the interior). What kind of engine would be easiest to do that in?? (absolutly don't know 3d-engines very well [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img])
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Idiocy is not a learnt thing, but neither is it a genetic thing. It is simply something that jumps from genration to generation as it chooses and latches itself onto certain individuals.
Aint life great :) :) :)
[b]How about using the V12 engine? There's a poetic irony here; bear with me. The V12 engine is the Tribes 2 engine without the Tribes 2-specific elements (models, textures, sounds etc.). Garage Games (which is composed of many former Tribes 2 developers) have purchased the engine from Sierra and you can license the engine for only $100.
The engine is great at doing massive outdoor AND indoor areas.
Wouldn't it be great to use Sierra's own engine to creat a B5 game? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif[/img]
[This message has been edited by samuelk (edited 06-20-2001).][/b][/quote]
Defiantely not a bad idea there!
This should be seriously considered. I think we're really getting places now [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Idiocy is not a learnt thing, but neither is it a genetic thing. It is simply something that jumps from genration to generation as it chooses and latches itself onto certain individuals.
Aint life great :) :) :)
If i were on the team, i'd pay my part [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
(but, sorry, i don't have time, allthough i'd love to be ... )
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Just another good old fashioned rant from mwa [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Idiocy is not a learnt thing, but neither is it a genetic thing. It is simply something that jumps from genration to generation as it chooses and latches itself onto certain individuals.
Aint life great :) :) :)
Worf
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"Playing computer and video games doesnt create murderers and terrorists....cancelling computer and video games creates them." -Me-
Join the fight for freedom at [url="http://www.newrepublic.de"]http://www.newrepublic.de[/url] and [url="http://www.isd-imperium.co.uk"]http://www.isd-imperium.co.uk[/url]
And empty.
Samuelk & Sanfam...I think the Tribes2 engine idea is great. If we are going to try to do a Firstones B5 shooter this could be the way to go...I'll donate a couple of bucks and some time if I can.
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"And there is nothing more dangerous then a man with nothing to lose. Nothing to live for and nothing to prove."
[i]Brendan Perry, Dead Can Dance[/i]
[b]Ok, I've been walking around there. Weird...
And empty.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, Maybe I should put a few "NPC" objects in when i do the graphics.
Its wierd in what way?
Worf
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"Playing computer and video games doesnt create murderers and terrorists....cancelling computer and video games creates them." -Me-
Join the fight for freedom at [url="http://www.newrepublic.de"]http://www.newrepublic.de[/url] and [url="http://www.isd-imperium.co.uk"]http://www.isd-imperium.co.uk[/url]
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
I'd buy that for a $
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'I have no surviving enemies! None what so ever!' Galen
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Never had problems with that solution. Plus: it's the cheapest way [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img].
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We are one. No matter the blood, no matter the skin, no matter the world, no matter the star. .. We are one.
No matter the pain, no matter the darkness, no matter the loss, no matter the fear. .. We are one.
- Alliance Preamble to the Declaration of Principles, The Paragon of Animals
Webmaster [url="http://www.Sprungtor.de"]www.Sprungtor.de[/url]
Get a central server for holding the code and then all the devs/modders check code in and out of the "tree".
Even better than making a B5 game using T2 is to make a B5 game using T2 then give it away for free download!!! Make them wankers at Sierra wish they had not crossed the lin.
You could then add new missions as they are developed and make thwem available for download.
If the license is 100 dollars I will likely buy it anyway just to play about with [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[b]
Even better than making a B5 game using T2 is to make a B5 game using T2 then give it away for free download.
[/b][/quote]
Yeah, that'd be cool.... and if i think about what i spend my money for, there are a couple of things where i could spare a few bucks...
Of course, the ultimate engine would be one that could have gravity going in multiple directions, because then you could do a true inside of B5. Imagine firing rockets at someone who to you is upside down half a mile up. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]This shouldn't be a big problem. I know that it's considered as not safe but I have sent dollar notes which I bought from my bank via mail to someone in the USA when I wanted to purchase a record.
Never had problems with that solution. Plus: it's the cheapest way [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img].
[/b][/quote]
Yeah I've done that before, but it was only $5 so it wouldnot have been a disaster if it had gone missing.
We need to make a decision as to what to do, i.e. make a list of people who can work on the mod, and the list of people willing to contribute towards the license. All I can really offer is web design skills. I could build a really nice website to front the work we're doing.
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'The future is all around us' G'kar
'I have no surviving enemies! None what so ever!' Galen
Visit my B5 site at: [url="http://babylon5.acmecity.com/alliance/110"]http://babylon5.acmecity.com/alliance/110[/url]
Is it permitted to hand out the use of the engine in this way?
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No plan survives first contact with reality.
The V12/Tribes 2 engine is superb at large scale layouts. Just play T2 for half an hour and you will see this.
Secondly, it uses Newtonian physics so we get proper "B5 gravity".
For me its the best engine choice.
However, I cannot see the cost of licensing T2 being 100 US dollars. No way. If that was the case, everyone would just use it for their games and not bother developing their own engines. Or have I missed something? Hope it is just 100 dollars [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Also, are we talking a total conversion or an actual new game? From that stems the question of would we need to get a license from Warner Bros?
[This message has been edited by Babylon6 (edited 06-23-2001).]
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[b]Also, are we talking a total conversion or an actual new game? From that stems the question of would we need to get a license from Warner Bros?
[/b][/quote]
You only need the license if you are going to sell it, which we arn't.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Just let me know... Im really interested in helping out on this project... it sounds cool [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Idiocy is not a learnt thing, but neither is it a genetic thing. It is simply something that jumps from genration to generation as it chooses and latches itself onto certain individuals.
Aint life great :) :) :)
I would like to, but no. The b5 license would hurt my wallet very badly [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif[/img]
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Born from silence, silence full of it
A perfekt concert my best friend
So much to live for, so much to die for
If only my heart had a home
-Nightwish:Dead boy's Poem-
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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'The future is all around us' G'kar
'I have no surviving enemies! None what so ever!' Galen
Visit my B5 site at: [url="http://babylon5.acmecity.com/alliance/110"]http://babylon5.acmecity.com/alliance/110[/url]