Yeah, I guess I did say "platforms" didn't I? Not what I meant. Windows has, and allows for, a much wider array of hardware as well as a greater combination of different people's hardware choices.
Even if there weren't a huge number of WinXP specific drivers for the OS at launch, I've never had a problem using a Win2K or NT driver with XP if it's needed.
The theory that only the "good" games are released on the Mac is completely false. There are dozens upon dozens of excellent, AAA quality games on the PC that NEVER make it to the Mac platform. This especially includes games that really push PC graphics and processor requirements, since Macs have proven unable to keep up with the PC and gaming world's fast paced speed increases. Warcraft III might look ok, but it's hardly one of the most graphically advanced games out there, and almost any PC that's less than 4 years old can run the game.
And yes, the wait for the Mac release tends to be 6-12 months most of the time.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
[This message has been edited by Slade (edited 11-22-2002).]
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]UT is available on the Mac, so is Diablo, in fact any title worthy of a Mac is available. One good thing is that an Mac game title that comes out, is 90% of the time the cream of the crop in terms of quality.
Granted the Mac gaing experience can be limited for title choice, but the games you do get... ROCK !
You just keep using your Windoze boxes fellas and leave the real computers to those who know what a good one is. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
MechWarrior. MW2 was also released for Mac, but that's when Activision still had it.
I prefer PCs because of the ease of customization. Macs are good computers if you're not a tinkerer.
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Sidhe-1
Wielder of the Big Heavy Hammer of Obvious Truth
"FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!"
Only reason I stay with crappy ass windows is that you cannot run games on any other OS (they just dont make that many, and I average about a game a month).
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[quote]Originally posted by Slade:
[b]Yeah, I guess I did say "platforms" didn't I? Not what I meant. Windows has, and allows for, a much wider array of hardware as well as a greater combination of different people's hardware choices.[/b][/quote]
Unix OS's support more than Windows.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
More hardware options? Unix supports (or has support for) more video cards, network cards, TV tuners, sound cards, webcams, joysticks, mp3 players, blah, blah, blah than Windows does?
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Well if you mean that sort of hardware, then it all depends on the hardware manufacturers.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[quote]Originally posted by Slade:
[b]More hardware options? Unix supports (or has support for) more video cards, network cards, TV tuners, sound cards, webcams, joysticks, mp3 players, blah, blah, blah than Windows does?
[/b][/quote]
Actually, almost any device that will run on windows can run on Unix, just might take a bit of tweaking to get it to run. I've even got hardware that will run on the unix box, but NOT on windows.
[quote]Originally posted by Slade:
[b]The theory that only the "good" games are released on the Mac is completely false. There are dozens upon dozens of excellent, AAA quality games on the PC that NEVER make it to the Mac platform.[/b][/quote]
I'd appreciate an example.
[quote][b]This especially includes games that really push PC graphics and processor requirements, since Macs have proven unable to keep up with the PC and gaming world's fast paced speed increases.[/quote][/b]
Ha! You're funny!
You do know how little use there is in having processors twice as fast as the competition's if they're doing a third of the work with each cycle, right?
[quote][b]Warcraft III might look ok, but it's hardly one of the most graphically advanced games out there, and almost any PC that's less than 4 years old can run the game.[/quote][/b]
Well, according to my research (I don't have a copy Warcraft III handy), the Mac requirements for your example are:
- G3 400 Mhz processor
- 128MB of RAM
- Mac OS 9.1 or Mac OS X 10.1
- 700MB of free hard disk space
- 16MB or video memory or greater
Well, if you take a gander at the specs for a [url="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43123"]Power Mac G3 circa January 1999[/url] (within two months of your "four years" caveat), you'll find that it fits every system requirement (the video card that came with it, a [url="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58238#faq5"]Rage128[/url] did indeed have 16 Mb of video memory, despite the fact that it wasn't listed on that page).
And I would remind you of the occasional Mac only game pined after by the Windows community, such as the [url="http://www.bungie.com/products/trilogy/trilogy.htm"]Marathon Trilogy[/url] and the[url="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/games/evn/"]Escape Velocity[/url] series, both of which were eventually ported (or are in the process thereof) to Windows. In the case of Escape Velocity, it took about [i]eight years[/i]. These gems of games, and others like them, are the things that sustain us while we wait a paltry eight to twelve [i]months[/i] for a PC game, which is likely why we bitch and moan when they are finally ported.
Oh, and were also sustained by a [url="http://www.appleturns.com"](slightly un)healthy sense of humor[/url]. Not to mention publications like PC World, especially when they have cover articles such as "2001 of the Most Annoying Things in Windows, and How to Fix Them All With Command Lines!" and "How to Correct the 68,000 Found Yet Unfixed Bugs Put Out in Windows 2000!"
[This message has been edited by David of Mac (edited 11-23-2002).]
I'd like to see a benchmark where a Mac beats out a P4 3.0 or an AMD 2800+, and where that benchmark ISN'T Photoshop's gaussian blur. I guess if you do a lot of gaussian blurs, yeah Macs are a bit faster.
Your point about Warcraft III made no sense. If both a 4 year old PC and a 4 year old Mac can run the game, that solidifies my statement that Warcraft isn't a system pusher. You're not going to see Doom III for the Mac anytime soon.
America's Army
Battlefield 1942
Command & Conquer series
Counter-Strike
Half Life
Max Payne
No One Lives Forever 1 & 2
Quake III
Freespace 2
Grand Theft Auto series
Metal Gear Solid
Baldur's Gate
Dungeon Siege
Everquest
Final Fantasy VII
Neverwinter Nights
Mechwarrior series
Combat Flight Simulator 2 & 3
Flight Simulator 2002
Heavy Gear
IL-2 Sturmovik
Independance War 1 & 2
Star Trek: Starfleet Command series
Black & White
Commandos series
Homeworld
etc.
I really don't have to go on.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
[This message has been edited by Slade (edited 11-23-2002).]
[This message has been edited by Slade (edited 11-23-2002).]
[quote]Originally posted by Slade:
[b]OpenGL = 3D graphics programs
[/b][/quote]
But not EXCLUSIVELY. Thats the point.
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"Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else! Love to stay! Can't, have to go! Kiss! Kiss! Love! Love! Bye! *kiss*" - G'Kar
[quote]Originally posted by Slade:
[b]I'd like to see a benchmark where a Mac beats out a P4 3.0 or an AMD 2800+, and where that benchmark ISN'T Photoshop's gaussian blur. I guess if you do a lot of gaussian blurs, yeah Macs are a bit faster.[/quote][/b]
Just curious, but have you actually used a Mac? For more than twenty seconds, I mean. I mean, if the Mac's only benefit is making things blurrier faster, than why the hell are any of us using them? Why don't we just say, "Screw you, Steve Jobs," and go out and buy your cheaper, more stable, more versatile, faster, and more supported platform? I mean, this vitriol against Macs isn't going to change anything, and I doubt either of us is going to hop in a plane and head ov'r the land to start a fistfight, so what's the point of getting all worked up over exclusive benchmarks?
[quote][b]Your point about Warcraft III made no sense. If both a 4 year old PC and a 4 year old Mac can run the game, that solidifies my statement that Warcraft isn't a system pusher.[/quote][/b]
Oh, my [i]apologies[/i], kind sir! I read your statement as saying that, while Warcraft III wasn't a system pusher for Windows, it would be the hight of graphical technology on my side. I mean, otherwise, your point is more or less superfluous. "There are several areas in which Wintels are superior Macs, such as their ability to run Warcraft III on machines up to four years old, while Macs can only run that game on machines up to... four years old."
[quote][b] You're not going to see Doom III for the Mac anytime soon.[/quote][/b]
You put down twenty six titles, twenty of which were, to my knowledge, PC only. That's a 23% rate of failure. If this is what you accept from your computer, well, I can understand why the pros would outweigh the cons for you.
Incidentally, I would appreciate it if some other people would start posting proof of some of their claims. How do you know I wasn't pulling my stuff about how these games were available for Mac out of my butt? Because I provided links for every one of those claims. It just annoys me when people state patently false information with a perfectly straight face.
I mean, look at this poor man
[quote]Originally posted by jambo_jimmy:
[b]Macs are shitty simple crappy thing's used by idiots, nerds and children only...
"ohh look how nice it looks" get a life....
[/b][/quote]
Good sir, every nerd, idiot, and child I know prefers PCs because, respectively, they have to be tweaked like a combustion engine made of toothpicks to work well, all their friends told them it was best, and because it has all the "kewl gamez".
[This message has been edited by David of Mac (edited 11-24-2002).]
Macs have thier place, they have thier merits, they have thier flaws. So do PC's.
Comparing speeds between Mac's and PC's is a pointless excersise. The disparity between software available and a gazillion other things makes it like trying to compare Apples with Lemons...
The computing world owes a vast ammount to Apple, the IP developed by Macs over the years forms the basis of 98% of what we do on a computer...
Your much vaunted FPS shooters, Godsims and any number of others would be pretty ****ing useless without a ****ing mouse !
Where did we get mice from ?
Every single goddamn PC user out there, bar those working from a command line are using Mac developed IP...
the GUI
So next time you decide to get all riled about the benefits of PC's and you want to remain credible in your attacks on Macs....
unplug your pointing device and go back to a DOS type command line...
You PC users are all Mac users bitches... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]...makes it like trying to compare [i]Apples[/i] with [i]Lemons[/i]... [/b][/quote]
You said that on purpose didn't you? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]The computing world owes a vast ammount to Apple, the IP developed by Macs over the years forms the basis of 98% of what we do on a computer...[/b][/quote]
A bit high on the percentage I think. Early Unix is a much larger basis of the PC.
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]Your much vaunted FPS shooters, Godsims and any number of others would be pretty ****ing useless without a ****ing mouse ![/b][/quote]
Nah, Joystick is best for this purpose.
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]Where did we get mice from ?[/b][/quote]
Field testing... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]The GUI?[/b][/quote]
You won't find ANY of those titles on Apple's "gaming" site, so from my point of view that means they aren't availiable for the Mac.
Since you won't be crying yourself to sleep over not playing Doom III, then I must question how much of a gamer you really are. Of course, I shouldn't ask, since you have a Mac in the first place, you must not play many games.
To answer your question about my having used a Mac, the answer is yes. This is the same line I hear from every Mac person out there: "You just haven't used one". I spent years on Macs in school, and learned a lot of my web design, Photoshop and programming on them. Of course, since I don't like them, that MUST mean I've never used one.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
I play far too many games on my Mac.... if you must know.
One other little thing I've NEVER seen disproven is this, after more than a year of SELLING Macs....
"Plenty of people switch from PC's to Mac's, no-one switches from a Mac to a PC."
Time and time again I've seen that rule remain unbroken, some Mac users buy PC's to convert files and play the odd Gaming title, but man, they NEVER use one for work. Now with some very good bridge building on behalf of Apple, playing the odd game is the only reason to have a PC.
BTW my Amiga 1000 (the very first personal computer with great graphics and sound capabilities with a GUI environment.) was better than any Mac! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
or you're full of bull biscuits.. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
[quote]Originally posted by jambo_jimmy:
[b]BTW my Amiga 1000 (the very first personal computer with great graphics and sound capabilities with a GUI environment.) was better than any Mac! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
Yep!
I still have my A2000 and A3000 [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
I hate to say it, SB, but both the mouse and the GUI came from Xerox.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Did the mouse? I seem to remember reading that the first mouse was invented in the 60s sometime, but it's a vague memory so I could be wrong.
In any case, Apple didn't invent either the mouse or the GUI, but that doesn't really matter. They were the first to use them well, so it deserves credit.
Just to clarify something: I never intended to say that Windows was better than the alternatives. It most certainly is not. However I almost never have a problem with Windows (well, since I started using NT/2K/XP anyways), and since the PC platform gives me a much greater choice of software and hardware, I go with it. I'm not interested in buying the "Apple iTower #2", I want to pick and chose every single component of MY machine and set it all up myself. It's the same reason I would never buy a PC from a store, all setup and "ready to go".
If the Mac platform had as much hardware and software support, I would gladly switch over for the better OS, but they don't.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
Sheesh. This thread is getting even more pointless.
Get a ruler to settle it once and for all.
I don't like asparagus, but I do like broccoli. Anyone care to start a flame war over that?
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AnlaShok, Captain of the Gray Hand of Fate Squadron
Sidhe-1
Wielder of the Big Heavy Hammer of Obvious Truth
"FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!"
Comments
Even if there weren't a huge number of WinXP specific drivers for the OS at launch, I've never had a problem using a Win2K or NT driver with XP if it's needed.
The theory that only the "good" games are released on the Mac is completely false. There are dozens upon dozens of excellent, AAA quality games on the PC that NEVER make it to the Mac platform. This especially includes games that really push PC graphics and processor requirements, since Macs have proven unable to keep up with the PC and gaming world's fast paced speed increases. Warcraft III might look ok, but it's hardly one of the most graphically advanced games out there, and almost any PC that's less than 4 years old can run the game.
And yes, the wait for the Mac release tends to be 6-12 months most of the time.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
[This message has been edited by Slade (edited 11-22-2002).]
[b]UT is available on the Mac, so is Diablo, in fact any title worthy of a Mac is available. One good thing is that an Mac game title that comes out, is 90% of the time the cream of the crop in terms of quality.
Granted the Mac gaing experience can be limited for title choice, but the games you do get... ROCK !
You just keep using your Windoze boxes fellas and leave the real computers to those who know what a good one is. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
MechWarrior. MW2 was also released for Mac, but that's when Activision still had it.
I prefer PCs because of the ease of customization. Macs are good computers if you're not a tinkerer.
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AnlaShok, Captain of the Gray Hand of Fate Squadron
Sidhe-1
Wielder of the Big Heavy Hammer of Obvious Truth
"FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!"
[b]Yeah, I guess I did say "platforms" didn't I? Not what I meant. Windows has, and allows for, a much wider array of hardware as well as a greater combination of different people's hardware choices.[/b][/quote]
Unix OS's support more than Windows.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]More hardware options? Unix supports (or has support for) more video cards, network cards, TV tuners, sound cards, webcams, joysticks, mp3 players, blah, blah, blah than Windows does?
[/b][/quote]
Actually, almost any device that will run on windows can run on Unix, just might take a bit of tweaking to get it to run. I've even got hardware that will run on the unix box, but NOT on windows.
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http://www.firefoot.com
[b]
might take a bit of tweaking to get it to run.
[/b][/quote]
and herein lies the problem....
[b]The theory that only the "good" games are released on the Mac is completely false. There are dozens upon dozens of excellent, AAA quality games on the PC that NEVER make it to the Mac platform.[/b][/quote]
I'd appreciate an example.
[quote][b]This especially includes games that really push PC graphics and processor requirements, since Macs have proven unable to keep up with the PC and gaming world's fast paced speed increases.[/quote][/b]
Ha! You're funny!
You do know how little use there is in having processors twice as fast as the competition's if they're doing a third of the work with each cycle, right?
[quote][b]Warcraft III might look ok, but it's hardly one of the most graphically advanced games out there, and almost any PC that's less than 4 years old can run the game.[/quote][/b]
Well, according to my research (I don't have a copy Warcraft III handy), the Mac requirements for your example are:
- G3 400 Mhz processor
- 128MB of RAM
- Mac OS 9.1 or Mac OS X 10.1
- 700MB of free hard disk space
- 16MB or video memory or greater
Well, if you take a gander at the specs for a [url="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=43123"]Power Mac G3 circa January 1999[/url] (within two months of your "four years" caveat), you'll find that it fits every system requirement (the video card that came with it, a [url="http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58238#faq5"]Rage128[/url] did indeed have 16 Mb of video memory, despite the fact that it wasn't listed on that page).
And I would remind you of the occasional Mac only game pined after by the Windows community, such as the [url="http://www.bungie.com/products/trilogy/trilogy.htm"]Marathon Trilogy[/url] and the[url="http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/games/evn/"]Escape Velocity[/url] series, both of which were eventually ported (or are in the process thereof) to Windows. In the case of Escape Velocity, it took about [i]eight years[/i]. These gems of games, and others like them, are the things that sustain us while we wait a paltry eight to twelve [i]months[/i] for a PC game, which is likely why we bitch and moan when they are finally ported.
Oh, and were also sustained by a [url="http://www.appleturns.com"](slightly un)healthy sense of humor[/url]. Not to mention publications like PC World, especially when they have cover articles such as "2001 of the Most Annoying Things in Windows, and How to Fix Them All With Command Lines!" and "How to Correct the 68,000 Found Yet Unfixed Bugs Put Out in Windows 2000!"
[This message has been edited by David of Mac (edited 11-23-2002).]
Your point about Warcraft III made no sense. If both a 4 year old PC and a 4 year old Mac can run the game, that solidifies my statement that Warcraft isn't a system pusher. You're not going to see Doom III for the Mac anytime soon.
America's Army
Battlefield 1942
Command & Conquer series
Counter-Strike
Half Life
Max Payne
No One Lives Forever 1 & 2
Quake III
Freespace 2
Grand Theft Auto series
Metal Gear Solid
Baldur's Gate
Dungeon Siege
Everquest
Final Fantasy VII
Neverwinter Nights
Mechwarrior series
Combat Flight Simulator 2 & 3
Flight Simulator 2002
Heavy Gear
IL-2 Sturmovik
Independance War 1 & 2
Star Trek: Starfleet Command series
Black & White
Commandos series
Homeworld
etc.
I really don't have to go on.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
[This message has been edited by Slade (edited 11-23-2002).]
[This message has been edited by Slade (edited 11-23-2002).]
[b]OpenGL = 3D graphics programs
[/b][/quote]
But not EXCLUSIVELY. Thats the point.
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[b][url="http://www.savefarscape.com/"]SAVE FARSCAPE![/url][/b]
"Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else! Love to stay! Can't, have to go! Kiss! Kiss! Love! Love! Bye! *kiss*" - G'Kar
[b]Has anyone run Darwin(the x86 version of Mac OS) yet? What do you think ??[/b][/quote]
Darwin is really just a modified FreeBSD, I ran it for a bit, just to see what its like, its actually fairly nice.
"ohh look how nice it looks" get a life....
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[b]I'd like to see a benchmark where a Mac beats out a P4 3.0 or an AMD 2800+, and where that benchmark ISN'T Photoshop's gaussian blur. I guess if you do a lot of gaussian blurs, yeah Macs are a bit faster.[/quote][/b]
Just curious, but have you actually used a Mac? For more than twenty seconds, I mean. I mean, if the Mac's only benefit is making things blurrier faster, than why the hell are any of us using them? Why don't we just say, "Screw you, Steve Jobs," and go out and buy your cheaper, more stable, more versatile, faster, and more supported platform? I mean, this vitriol against Macs isn't going to change anything, and I doubt either of us is going to hop in a plane and head ov'r the land to start a fistfight, so what's the point of getting all worked up over exclusive benchmarks?
[quote][b]Your point about Warcraft III made no sense. If both a 4 year old PC and a 4 year old Mac can run the game, that solidifies my statement that Warcraft isn't a system pusher.[/quote][/b]
Oh, my [i]apologies[/i], kind sir! I read your statement as saying that, while Warcraft III wasn't a system pusher for Windows, it would be the hight of graphical technology on my side. I mean, otherwise, your point is more or less superfluous. "There are several areas in which Wintels are superior Macs, such as their ability to run Warcraft III on machines up to four years old, while Macs can only run that game on machines up to... four years old."
[quote][b] You're not going to see Doom III for the Mac anytime soon.[/quote][/b]
I'll be crying myself to sleep at night.
[quote][b][url="http://www.wizworks.com/macsoft/?page=products/maxpayne_mac_action"]Max Payne[/url]
[url="http://www.macplay.com/games/nolf.shtml"]No One Lives Forever 1 & 2[/url]
[url="http://www.activision.com/games/quake3/"]Quake III[/url]
[url="http://www.graphsim.com/games/games-bgate.html"]Baldur's Gate[/url]
[url="http://www.macgamer.com/features/?id=412"]Mechwarrior series[/url]
[url="http://www.macplay.com/games/blackandwhite.shtml"]Black & White[/url]
I really don't have to go on.
[/b][/quote]
You put down twenty six titles, twenty of which were, to my knowledge, PC only. That's a 23% rate of failure. If this is what you accept from your computer, well, I can understand why the pros would outweigh the cons for you.
Incidentally, I would appreciate it if some other people would start posting proof of some of their claims. How do you know I wasn't pulling my stuff about how these games were available for Mac out of my butt? Because I provided links for every one of those claims. It just annoys me when people state patently false information with a perfectly straight face.
I mean, look at this poor man
[quote]Originally posted by jambo_jimmy:
[b]Macs are shitty simple crappy thing's used by idiots, nerds and children only...
"ohh look how nice it looks" get a life....
[/b][/quote]
Good sir, every nerd, idiot, and child I know prefers PCs because, respectively, they have to be tweaked like a combustion engine made of toothpicks to work well, all their friends told them it was best, and because it has all the "kewl gamez".
[This message has been edited by David of Mac (edited 11-24-2002).]
[b]Macs are shitty simple crappy thing's used by idiots, nerds and children only...
"ohh look how nice it looks" get a life....
[/b][/quote]
This has got to be the dumbest statement i've ever seen made on this forum.
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http://www.firefoot.com
It's a real live TWAT !
**points at Jambo**
Dont start a fight that I'll finish Jambo.
Macs have thier place, they have thier merits, they have thier flaws. So do PC's.
Comparing speeds between Mac's and PC's is a pointless excersise. The disparity between software available and a gazillion other things makes it like trying to compare Apples with Lemons...
The computing world owes a vast ammount to Apple, the IP developed by Macs over the years forms the basis of 98% of what we do on a computer...
Your much vaunted FPS shooters, Godsims and any number of others would be pretty ****ing useless without a ****ing mouse !
Where did we get mice from ?
Every single goddamn PC user out there, bar those working from a command line are using Mac developed IP...
the GUI
So next time you decide to get all riled about the benefits of PC's and you want to remain credible in your attacks on Macs....
unplug your pointing device and go back to a DOS type command line...
You PC users are all Mac users bitches... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[b]...makes it like trying to compare [i]Apples[/i] with [i]Lemons[/i]... [/b][/quote]
You said that on purpose didn't you? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]The computing world owes a vast ammount to Apple, the IP developed by Macs over the years forms the basis of 98% of what we do on a computer...[/b][/quote]
A bit high on the percentage I think. Early Unix is a much larger basis of the PC.
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]Your much vaunted FPS shooters, Godsims and any number of others would be pretty ****ing useless without a ****ing mouse ![/b][/quote]
Nah, Joystick is best for this purpose.
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]Where did we get mice from ?[/b][/quote]
Field testing... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[quote]Originally posted by shadow boxer:
[b]The GUI?[/b][/quote]
Xerox! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Since you won't be crying yourself to sleep over not playing Doom III, then I must question how much of a gamer you really are. Of course, I shouldn't ask, since you have a Mac in the first place, you must not play many games.
To answer your question about my having used a Mac, the answer is yes. This is the same line I hear from every Mac person out there: "You just haven't used one". I spent years on Macs in school, and learned a lot of my web design, Photoshop and programming on them. Of course, since I don't like them, that MUST mean I've never used one.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
One other little thing I've NEVER seen disproven is this, after more than a year of SELLING Macs....
"Plenty of people switch from PC's to Mac's, no-one switches from a Mac to a PC."
Time and time again I've seen that rule remain unbroken, some Mac users buy PC's to convert files and play the odd Gaming title, but man, they NEVER use one for work. Now with some very good bridge building on behalf of Apple, playing the odd game is the only reason to have a PC.
or you're full of bull biscuits.. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[b]BTW my Amiga 1000 (the very first personal computer with great graphics and sound capabilities with a GUI environment.) was better than any Mac! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
Yep!
I still have my A2000 and A3000 [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
In any case, Apple didn't invent either the mouse or the GUI, but that doesn't really matter. They were the first to use them well, so it deserves credit.
Just to clarify something: I never intended to say that Windows was better than the alternatives. It most certainly is not. However I almost never have a problem with Windows (well, since I started using NT/2K/XP anyways), and since the PC platform gives me a much greater choice of software and hardware, I go with it. I'm not interested in buying the "Apple iTower #2", I want to pick and chose every single component of MY machine and set it all up myself. It's the same reason I would never buy a PC from a store, all setup and "ready to go".
If the Mac platform had as much hardware and software support, I would gladly switch over for the better OS, but they don't.
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[url="http://www.alecm.com/"]Alec McClymont[/url]
"Something is only impossible until it's not."
Get a ruler to settle it once and for all.
I don't like asparagus, but I do like broccoli. Anyone care to start a flame war over that?
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AnlaShok, Captain of the Gray Hand of Fate Squadron
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Wielder of the Big Heavy Hammer of Obvious Truth
"FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!"
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No, they are both GREEN so its ok.
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