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Bomb attack in Finland. yesterday evening.
PJH
The Lovely Thing
in Zocalo v2.0
Looks like we Scandinavians aren't safe either. It's heavily suspected that a big explosion yesterday evening in a busy shopping mall in Vantaa Finland was a bomb attack. It's not sure if it's an actual terrorist attack though. 7 people were killed and tens of others injured.
Here's a quick link to CNN's article: [url="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/12/helsinki.explosion/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/12/helsinki.explosion/index.html[/url]
- PJH
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Here's a quick link to CNN's article: [url="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/12/helsinki.explosion/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/12/helsinki.explosion/index.html[/url]
- PJH
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Comments
It will be frightening to see what it really was however. No conclusions should be jumped to but:
Finland does have a rather high national suicide rate among 18-24 year olds. We could be seeing a new wave of "look at me" style suicides with the mentality that "If I don't want to live, they shouldn't either."
This could be unrelated to the Middle East or Afghanistan. Maybe someone who doesn't like shopping malls and the economic policies of Finland. Or it was Swedish fishermen upset over fishing turf (unlikely).
Then again, Finland does/did have troops (50 of them) in Afghanistan. It was a hit on a mall. That French oil tanker turned out to be a terrorist attack too.
What's that supposed to mean Lord Refa!
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[b]The families and injured have my condolences. No matter who what or why this kind of premeditated act is totally unacceptable. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/frown.gif[/img] If it wasn't something like a gas line explosion it is by definition terrorism.
It will be frightening to see what it really was however. No conclusions should be jumped to but:
Finland does have a rather high national suicide rate among 18-24 year olds. We could be seeing a new wave of "look at me" style suicides with the mentality that "If I don't want to live, they shouldn't either."
This could be unrelated to the Middle East or Afghanistan. Maybe someone who doesn't like shopping malls and the economic policies of Finland. Or it was Swedish fishermen upset over fishing turf (unlikely).
Then again, Finland does/did have troops (50 of them) in Afghanistan. It was a hit on a mall. That French oil tanker turned out to be a terrorist attack too.
What's that supposed to mean Lord Refa!
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Well I don't think that it has to do with any suicidal behaviour. Sure it's possible, but quite unlikely IMO. Also the small group of Finnish troops in Afghanistan are not actually armed forces. That doesn't necessarily matter though, but as the bomber was apparently a local Finnish born student it's very unlikely that this has anything to do with Middle East or Afghanistan. I have no idea about a possible motive, but hopefully that will be eventually found out. The purpose of the attack however was apparently to kill as many people as possible, since there was apparently lots of small fragments included in the bomb.
- PJH
- PJH
Think of poor Rebecca Romjin, and how she'll miss you !
The bomber was a 19 year old chemical student who apparently got instructions to make a bomb from internet. Police found from he's apartment documents, which are said to be related to bomb making. He also doesn't have any earlier criminal record according to police.
- PJH
[b] I'd like to die. Plain and simple. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Someone blowing up a bomb near me would've been good way to do it, my surival instict wouldn't have mattered. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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If your gonna do it do it with Honor!
Donate your organs, don't take innocent lives, and make damn sure you get it right the first time! Have a good journey. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Argone
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]
and a terrorist cell in Bali just blew up a nightspot/bar called the Sari...
180+ dead and counting...
gee...
anyone would think Armageddon was nigh...
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
And are they being oppressed in any way? (dont take this the wrong way, k?) [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
Looks like the world is going to hell in a handbag!
Argone
[b]It certainly seems that way, with the numbers of active terrorists growing rapidly. I'm just waiting for someone here, claiming to be fighting for traditional Maori rights or something like that, to try and blow something up.
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Actually we already have one of those. They have openly declared war against rhe NZ Government.. they just.. don't.. actually do... anything ...
[quote]Originally posted by Messiah:
[b]Biggles: How long have the Maori lived on NZ? According to my sources (a book) a couple of hundred yrs?
And are they being oppressed in any way? (dont take this the wrong way, k?) [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
The Maori have been here since around 1000 or so. They near-eradicated another race when they arrived.
The Maori are far from oppressed. The problem is that many of them are caught in the poverty cycle, and a lot blame the crown and colonisation for that. The NZ government actually does a huge amount to sort out problems they have, but as in any situation there are a few who refuse to accept that.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
(BTW I guess I am native to Sweden, since we have two native populations here (Saami and Viking descendants))
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
The norse and celts who colonized the empty rock got it because nobody else wanted it [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Refa, stop moping and move to Japan and get yourself an asian girl.
Although feel free to ship any cute finnish girls here [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
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nah. No point really.. They wouldn't let me catch even one. None would come willingly you see, and if i'd start keeping them in basement, now.. that wouldn't be too nice now would it? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
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Ahh thats right, its only AMERICAN guys they go gah gah for over there.. want me to catch some for you? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
have you ever just tried the old fashion way? getting stinking rich then plying them with presents?
dating? anything? talking to them? ahh hell, booze?
I mean, Im desperate too, but I draw the line just past hypnosis [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
[b] Welll.... I'm too dumb to get stinking rich. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Dating? well... noone's ever shown any interest so haven't bothered to ask.. Sure I talk to girls, but that's about it. The ones I talk to are just friends. and booze too. Doesnt really help. Cause I have the habit of drinking myself out cold. Makes life bearable that way. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I think hypnosis would be good for me. You know, make me live in this dreamworld. Put me in a coma and so on. Never waking up. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Refa, the point is to be able to OUT drink them, you get them tipsy and you make your move [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Anyways, there are better plans then death or coma!, I intend to use the later years of bachlorhood to create an order of warrior/scholar monks who in their spare time make beer, chocolate, and cutting edge weaponry!
Refa, the point is to be able to OUT drink them, you get them tipsy and you make your move [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
Anyways, there are better plans then death or coma!, I intend to use the later years of bachlorhood to create an order of warrior/scholar monks who in their spare time make beer, chocolate, and cutting edge weaponry!
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I'll join your order! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I'll be the beer and chocolate taster. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Not getting girls except by paying for them anyway, so wouldn't matter if i'd turn myself into this:
[img]http://koti.mbnet.fi/senator/aziz.jpg[/img]
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"Are you a god fearing man, senator? It's such an strange phrase. I've always though of god as a teacher... as a bringer of light, wisdom and understanding. You see, i think what you really are afraid of is me. Me and my kind, the Brotherhood of Mutants. Oh, it's not so suprising really, mankind has always feared what it doesnt understand. Well, dont fear god senator, and certainly dont fear me... not anymore."
But good thing it's in finnish, so noone sensible understands it. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
And we have a built in excercise plan! fighting evil! that and carrying around very large dusty tomes, just because all guys in robes must hall around large dusty tomes!
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Damnit Refa... what the hell is going on in that picture?! do I want to know?
And we have a built in excercise plan! fighting evil! that and carrying around very large dusty tomes, just because all guys in robes must hall around large dusty tomes![/b][/quote]
The fat kid just complains to the other other in his head that he could drink the soda faster than him, if he could get his fat ass up.
And do we have a good medical care? Dusty tomes, large or small, prolly arent good for the allergic. And I've always been more of the make love, not fight evil villains type. So.. I can you know.. entertain the krhm.. villains girl henchpersons who've we've taken in custody...
and nobody says whats INSIDE the tomes, your going to be the offical keeper of the pr0n [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
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Dude, you want the beer, chocolates and villany, you fight evil.. and yes we will have good medical care, come on, we will have that much beer and chocolate! its trade goods! its better then spices and gems in civilization man
and nobody says whats INSIDE the tomes, your going to be the offical keeper of the pr0n [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
Hey! I wanna join, [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] where do I sign up?
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]
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[b] Hey! I wanna join, [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] where do I sign up?
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Too late! The porn's mine! All mine! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
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"Are you a god fearing man, senator? It's such an strange phrase. I've always though of god as a teacher... as a bringer of light, wisdom and understanding. You see, i think what you really are afraid of is me. Me and my kind, the Brotherhood of Mutants. Oh, it's not so suprising really, mankind has always feared what it doesnt understand. Well, dont fear god senator, and certainly dont fear me... not anymore."
[b]I'd hate to say this, but this is the most twisted topic change ever...[/b][/quote]
I have that effect on people... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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Passive fields. January two thousand and twelve. A nation that stands alone. Cold voices, faces pale, Gathered unto their judgement day. Such words remain unspoken. Such pride remains unbroken. Just mothers to stand in vain and cry. Tears and medals in the rain. Shall I recall when justice did prevail? No reason to be found why reason did fail. The all clear resounding. The way was clear to rebuild this land. Shall I call on you to guide me well, To see our hopes and dreams fulfilled? On this day of our ascension.
VNV Nation - Honour
[b]I'd hate to say this, but this is the most twisted topic change ever...[/b][/quote]
even more so then the one involving penguins assualting underage japanese girls?
I mean I think we took the cake with that one!
Really miss those guys
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]