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Argone
Genuine Klingon
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]What is that?[/b][/quote]
It's an aeroplane.
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Yes! It's not fly by wire, the pilots finally told the computer/electrical engineers/programmers to go to hell!!!
My three main reservations are that from the looks of it there will have to be internal munitions storage which just doesn't work well on a fighter; and there is (so far) no ability to do in-flight refueling and that the Navy will never be able to share this thing. I wish we could get some solid dimensions on it. I'll bet good money this is going to look totally different by the time it goes to production, if it does.
<-- LOVES planes. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] (Namely Modern Fighters)
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"Ambassador we all know that the first casulty of war is the truth."
-John Sheridan
Ok so it's not exactly Max's journal but I think it's good
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40551
[b] [url="http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,365576-1,00.html"]http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,365576-1,00.html[/url]
Yes! It's not fly by wire, the pilots finally told the computer/electrical engineers/programmers to go to hell!!![/b][/quote]
What's wrong with fly-by-wire? You got something against computer systems engineers? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
[quote][b]My three main reservations are that from the looks of it there will have to be internal munitions storage which just doesn't work well on a fighter; and there is (so far) no ability to do in-flight refueling and that the Navy will never be able to share this thing. I wish we could get some solid dimensions on it. I'll bet good money this is going to look totally different by the time it goes to production, if it does.[/b][/quote]
As Randy said, this is a prototype plane for testing new stealth technologies, not a prototype for a fighter/bomber/something-like-that. Now that it's retired and proved all that tech, they'll use it on a new plane.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
Mechanical controls to heavy and slow.
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]
[url="http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q4/nr_021018m.html"]http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q4/nr_021018m.html[/url]
[img]http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/photorelease/q4/dvd-223-4.jpg[/img]
[url="http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q4/nr_021018m.html"]http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q4/nr_021018m.html[/url]
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]
Not really. Air flows pretty smoothly over the curved cockpit. It's not like there's a vacuum back there. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
What's funny is that this is what was rumored to be declassified not too long ago. There was a rumor floating around about a plane suspiciously like this. APparently, a patch and a document got leaked. This was back in mid august or early september.
And fly by wire is necessary in high speed aircraft... this one can only go 260 kts so fly by wire wont really be necessary...
and planes with fly by wire do have control feel in them... that can be added by either counterweights to fake the control feeling, or by using an anti-servo tab on the stabilizer and there are other ways...
Jake
The unusual intake position is apparently done to avoid considerable radar shadow.
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[url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Never eat anything bigger than your own head.[/url]
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
This thing looks to me more like a new version of the predator drone, only with a cockpit glued on to test it. Probably put a couple of hellfires and a laser targeter/camera system in place of the cockpit equipment.
The big reason for fly by wire is that THE PLANES ARE UNSTABLE...that's right, they are unstable, usually in all 3 axis. The computer between the pilot and the control surfaces is necessary to constantly correct for this. Doing control feel is easy..ever heard of a force feedback joystick? Similar idea..the computer senses that the control surface is out of position with what the pilot is putting on, and can activate some servos to give it a "feel" on the stick. The big advantage being that you can always overpower the servos to tell the computer where you want to go, unlike some situations of old where you could be overpowered by the forces on the surfaces.
[b]THE PLANES ARE UNSTABLE...[/b][/quote]
Thank you. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
Fighters are designed that way, an unstable aircraft is going to be easier to quickly get into a turn than one that's stable(one that resists changes in direction).
That's not to say stability's a bad thing in an aircraft, jumbo jets are stable for a reason, they're easier to control. It's just not a good thing for something that's supposed to be agile.
Fighters have usually been known to be tricky to fly. The Sopwith Camel was a highly agile plane, it had a rotary engine, which meant the whole engine turned. All that mass turning tried to roll the plane the other way, so that made it naturally get into a right turn quick---an advantage. The problem was, those not used to dealing with correcting the torque with the stick, quite often would nose the plane into the ground after take off. Now we use computers to make a problem like that magicly disappear and make every pilot seem like he's doing it all himself.
[b]Doing control feel is easy..ever heard of a force feedback joystick?[/b][/quote]
Cough, Cough, BOOOOO!!! LOL, I'm just biased my first couple flights were in an N3N-3. That's right an open cockpit bi-plane (if you bothered to look it up). I still don't have a license: don't ask. And as for my own attempts to fly for in the navy, well the damn medical bureaucrats said my back wouldn't handle an ejection. However coming from a military/naval aviator family it has always been the opinion of typical aviators that the engineers have been desperate to kill off the old style aviator because of their own ego. Face it: most people just aren't in the physical shape to fly for the military and a lot of people hate that they aren't good enough (Even I do). Engineers have been trying to do unmanned and on the ground video game/"joystick" style airplanes for decades. It has of course all been in the name of not having to risk lives, but it is the opinion of many real aviators that the engineers feel there is an added benefit of killing the "top gun" mythos.
Eh: I know it's silly but I'm willing to perpetuate that stereotype: if you don't have to grunt when you pull back the stick it's not flying. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] As for me I'm saving my pennies to get my own plane (or time share) and get myself back in the sky. It's when I get my Vickers that you all should worry… …hehehe "Watch out for the Hun in the sun."
[This message has been edited by Konrad (edited 10-21-2002).]
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Planes have two types of stability: Static and Dynamic. Positive Static stability is the airplanes initial tendency to return to its initial equilibrium (or position) after being displaced. (Think of a ball in a bowl, if you move it up the side, it will roll back down to the middle) Positive Dynamic stability is the airplanes tendency to return to its original position over time (like a sine wave eventually levelling off....
Having negative stability makes high maneuverabliltiy possible because the airplane does not attempt to return to its original position after displacement.
[This message has been edited by Canuck (edited 10-22-2002).]
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Talk is silver, but violence is gold.
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[b]4 Thousand Throats can be cut in one night by a running Warrior[/b]