Testing... 1234 pi

croxis · September 2002

I got Linux and the internet to work on my first try! Yippy! Now to figure out how to work this damn thing.....

What web browser is recomended for linux?

What about instant messanger?

What other things should I get?

Where is a good place to go to ask my dumb linux newbee questions?

Thatnks!

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Rhett · September 2002

Linux, hmm... Can you run two operating systems on a PC (i.e. WinXP and a version of Linux). Also, what is a good kind (for lack of better word)of Linux to get? Just want it to try out, maybe surf the web, ect... Thanks.

Rogue Trader · September 2002

if you partition your hard drive right.

Random Chaos · September 2002

boot partition of linux often has to be first, then Win partition, then a globulous Linux partion, and don't forget a Swap partition for Linux. That will almost always work.

As for web browser - go with Mozilla.

As for IM - no idea [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] - I don't have Linux installed on this comp.

As for nVidia video drivers (if you need them), make sure you follow all the install steps (including editing the x-win config file) before restarting x-win!

As for Linux type, I've used Redhat and SuSe - I like the SuSe default install better, but everything is customizable so its up to you. Redhat is pretty standard and you can download it from MANY locations. Just have to have a CD burner [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

JackN · September 2002

[quote]Originally posted by croxis:
[b]I got Linux and the internet to work on my first try! Yippy! Know to figure out how to work this damn thing.....

What web browser is recomended for linux?

What about instant messanger?

What other things should I get?

Where is a good place to go to ask my dumb linux newbee questions?

Thanks!
[/b]

Originally posted by rhett:
[b]Linux, hmm... Can you run two operating systems on a PC (i.e. WinXP and a version of Linux). Also, what is a good kind (for lack of better word)of Linux to get? Just want it to try out, maybe surf the web, ect... Thanks.[/b]

[/quote]

I'll start with rhett's first...

So far I've used red Hat 7.2 and now currently Mandrake 8.2 . I'm sure there other good ones out there.

Both can be easily installed as a dual boot if you already have Windows installed, using LILO as your Boot Loader.

Now to Croxis's questions...

I recommend Mozilla for a Web Browser, usually comes with RH and Mandrake, probably other distributions as well.

Instant Messenger you can use AIM and install the plugins for MSN, Yahoo, AOL, ICQ etc...

Things to get are a good book on Linux. Also remember to always log in as ROOT user when installing new software, not just Super User (or Switch User for those who are perfectionists).

A question at this point is [b]"Why did you install it, and what do you intend to use it for?"[/b] This will get you closer to the answer of what else you need to get.

We had a thread for Linux going [url="http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/Forum16/HTML/001833.html"]here[/url] started by John Walker, maybe I should go bump it. Beyond that for sources of Linux executables do a Google search, I've found plenty of cool sites (too many to name here).

Others out here should know newsgroups and such for Linux questions...

[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] Welcome to the club! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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croxis · September 2002

Whoops! I just deleted the linux partitions! Hehe. I want to use linux for exerything except for games that only work in windows.

Entil'Zha · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by croxis:
[b]I got Linux and the internet to work on my first try! Yippy! Know to figure out how to work this damn thing.....

What web browser is recomended for linux?

What about instant messanger?

What other things should I get?

Where is a good place to go to ask my dumb linux newbee questions?

Thatnks!

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Web Browser -- Mozilla or Opera

Instant Messanger, gAIM or gICQ work well

You can ask me any questions you want, I'm more of a FreeBSD user, but i've used linux lots.

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croxis · October 2002

What is FreeBSD? Hmm, looks like Red Hat 8 is out but I can't find out where I can download it!

samuelk · October 2002

That should be 1, 2, 3, pi, 4. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

Entil'Zha · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by croxis:
[b]What is FreeBSD? Hmm, looks like Red Hat 8 is out but I can't find out where I can download it![/b][/quote]

FreeBSD is a REAL unix operating system, Rather than Linux, which is the Windows of the *nix world

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Bekenn · October 2002

RH8 is out?? Gah, lemme check....

Blast, time for lots more downloading.

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Biggles · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
[b] FreeBSD is a REAL unix operating system, Rather than Linux, which is the Windows of the *nix world[/b][/quote]

You constantly say that, and yet you constantly give no reasoning to back up the statement.

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croxis · October 2002

Ok, why is it better?

Rhett · October 2002

Question: Is it easy to do a dual boot? Because, I just want to have something quick and easy, as I am not a really big tech experiance. Thanks.

croxis · October 2002

Yes, rhett, it is easy to dual boot. You have two options, install a new hard drive OR create room on your current drive for another partition. First defrag you windows drive. Most big-name linux install programs have a very good partitioner to add the extra partition while keeping your existing partition intact. You can also make space with a nice program at [url="http://www.ranish.com/part/"]http://www.ranish.com/part/[/url] . Very easy to use. Just shrink your windows partition down and then add a linux partition and a linux swap partition. Linux comes with a multi-OS boot loader or you can search for XOSL. You still need to install the boot loader for linux though.

JackN · October 2002

He's just trying to start a war... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

I think Linux is just fine, and is close enough to unix to fit my needs...

[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

Rhett · October 2002

Thanks croxis. I think I will download Redhat 8.0 now... I'll let you know how it goes...

EDIT: NEver mind, I dont think I have time to do this right now, especially just for the heck of it. MAybe I can find someone with Linux on a CD (the download is even large for my DSL modem...

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JackN · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by rhett:
[b]Thanks croxis. I think I will download Redhat 8.0 now... I'll let you know how it goes...

EDIT: NEver mind, I dont think I have time to do this right now, especially just for the heck of it. MAybe I can find someone with Linux on a CD (the download is even large for my DSL modem...

[This message has been edited by rhett (edited 10-01-2002).][/b][/quote]

Red Hat 7.2 is good, and it's stable... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

Entil'Zha · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
[b] You constantly say that, and yet you constantly give no reasoning to back up the statement.

[/b][/quote]

Because Linux is in fact the Windows of the Unix world, unless of course you use it without the pretty GUI.

I have no problem with linux, but its basically a version of unix to appeal to Windows or Mac users, to people who feel the need for a GUI for everything.

The only time i use a GUI on my FreeBSD machine, is when my Windows machine is otherwise occupied and i need a web browser.

And then of course there is the major reason that FreeBSD is better..

Linux...
[img]http://isengard.firefoot.com/firstones/penguin.jpg[/img]

FreeBSD
[img]http://isengard.firefoot.com/firstones/freebsd.jpg[/img]

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Rhett · October 2002

Ohhh, me like...

JackN · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
[b]Because Linux is in fact the Windows of the Unix world, unless of course you use it without the pretty GUI.

I have no problem with linux, but its basically a version of unix to appeal to Windows or Mac users, to people who feel the need for a GUI for everything.

The only time i use a GUI on my FreeBSD machine, is when my Windows machine is otherwise occupied and i need a web browser.
[/b][/quote]

oh come on... Many Unix flavors use X Windows based environments and Window managers to give the user a GUI. You're just being obnoxious... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

SGI Irix uses a GUI heavily, Sun Sparcs do, the Net BSD I ran on my Amiga years ago used X Windows even...

Linux was created to give people a free Unix style OS because of the stupid way AT&T held control of Unix, much like how SEA tried to monopolize ARC after the fact, or Compuserve's asshole reaction to GIF that started the PNG movement.

Linux is so much more Unix thn it is MS Windows by a long shot.

The only resemblence to Windows is the way the GUI sits on top of the Command Line like DOS and Windows 3.1x, but you could say the same thing of your precious FreeBSD... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

Because you favor Command Line usage makes no arguement for Linux being inferior... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]

Rhett · October 2002

Who would that be? hehehe

Biggles · October 2002

I spend most of my linux time in a command line. My linux computer doesn't even have X Windows installed. And you can do everything with the command line, just like in BSD. And how does having a GUI make it like Windows?
Your argument is pretty weak.

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Entil'Zha · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by JackN:
[b]
SGI Irix uses a GUI heavily, Sun Sparcs do, the Net BSD I ran on my Amiga years ago used X Windows even...

Linux is so much more Unix thn it is MS Windows by a long shot.

The only resemblence to Windows is the way the GUI sits on top of the Command Line like DOS and Windows 3.1x, but you could say the same thing of your precious FreeBSD... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

Because you favor Command Line usage makes no arguement for Linux being inferior... [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]

Look at the pictures, that says it all [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

I was just kidding anyway, its all personal preferance.

But as for the command line, you are missing my point, Any Unix can USE X, but most flavours of Linux use it by default.

For a mission critical server, i'd just perfer a flavour of BSD, its been more stable for me, Our linux server at work has had nothing but problems, while my FreeBSD server is stable as a rock.

My FreeBSD server.. isengard# uptime
7:07am up 289 days, 17:32,

So for me, its a stability issue.
I've run Slackware, Debian, Redhat and Cobalt linux, and have always had problems with all of them. wheras i've run FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDi and never had a stability problem.

so for a home workstation, yeah i'd run Linux, but for a mission critical server, No way.

Plus, Chicks dig FreeBSD [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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JackN · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by Entil'Zha:
[b]
Look at the pictures, that says it all [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
...
Plus, Chicks dig FreeBSD [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
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ROFL! hah hah [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

Somebody just told me that FreeBSD stands for "Free Bitch Slap Demo" ...

Oh my!

Does that OS come with a SheDevil in every package?

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Rhett · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by JackN:
[b]Somebody just told me that FreeBSD stands for "Free Bitch Slap Demo" ...

Oh my!

Does that OS come with a SheDevil in every package?

[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
[/b][/quote]

HEhehe... I hope so..

Biggles · October 2002

Yes, I'm sur they do. I bet you just walk into crowded night clubs, scream "I use BSD!", and they flock towards you. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Entil'Zha · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
[b]Yes, I'm sur they do. I bet you just walk into crowded night clubs, scream "I use BSD!", and they flock towards you. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

[/b][/quote]

I dunno, my wife would kill me if i tried [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

Entil'Zha · October 2002

[quote]Originally posted by JackN:
[b] ROFL! hah hah [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

Somebody just told me that FreeBSD stands for "Free Bitch Slap Demo" ...

Oh my!

Does that OS come with a SheDevil in every package?

[img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

[This message has been edited by JackN (edited 10-02-2002).][/b][/quote]

Well i dunno, cause FreeBSD is free, so i never get a package, But if they did come with one in every package, then i'd have to get more packages.

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PJH · October 2002

I don't quite understand your point Entil'Zha. Why do you want to keep doing everything hard way by writing commands in the command line instead of using easy, convenient and nice looking environment where you can do the same much more easily and faster by using a mouse in addition of a keyboard??? I can understand that if you want to have the know-how of the command line usage because of work or whatever other reason, but still why would you use only the command line for all the everyday tasks and such?

Linux unstable??? How in the earth have you been running it??? Linux is famous of being stable! That's one of the biggest reasons why it's widely used in servers in the first place, security issues being an other. That's the first time ever I've heard anyone saying that Linux is unstable.

- PJH

JackN · October 2002

The reason to run a lean Kernel, and no GUI/XWindows/Desktop etc is to keep overhead to a minimum on a server. Thing is though, you can do that just as easily on Linux as you can with other Unix flavors...

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