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Randy
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We are here to place President Grenewetzki under arrest!
Tesla?
- PJH
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We are here to place President Grenewetzki under arrest!
The Register ran the story a couple days ago...
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We are here to place President Grenewetzki under arrest!
Well, that's quite an invention and will probably save many lives in the future, but it's not a force field like erroneously also called. It's indeed an electric armour.
But I recall there was an actual force field in development too somewhere, which was supposed to intercept some kind of electronic weapons, or something in that direction IIRC and to a degree some solid matter as well. I wish I had the link saved somewhere. It might have been NASA's project. There was a thread about it in here once, anybody remember this?
- PJH
[i]"...many boffins died to bring us this information..."[/i]
[b]Very interesting and sounds like a brilliant idea, but does it really work in reality? And is that website a reliable source? Any other websites/news sources telling about this?
Tesla?
- PJH[/b][/quote]
At the very top of the article on the Rense site you can see that it was re-posted from The Daily Telegraph - London, By Michael Smith.
[This message has been edited by Randy (edited 08-22-2002).]
But this armor sure is a nifty invention. I'd love to see it in action. I'm sure some videos might pop up at some point.
[b]Yup, now it seems believable.
Well, that's quite an invention and will probably save many lives in the future, but it's not a force field like erroneously also called. It's indeed an electric armour.
But I recall there was an actual force field in development too somewhere, which was supposed to intercept some kind of electronic weapons, or something in that direction IIRC and to a degree some solid matter as well. I wish I had the link saved somewhere. It might have been NASA's project. There was a thread about it in here once, anybody remember this?
- PJH[/b][/quote]
I believe you're thinking of that ion shield thing that was posted about here some time ago.
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it wont be too long before someone finds a counter weapon... my guess is some sort of super ceramic or silica based thing.... molten glass is just as good as molten copper at ruining your day
and whatever happened to that mad hairdresser guy in England ? ( I think)... found a way to apply a chemical to the outside of regular armour... once applied the kinetic energy of the incoming round created a microns thick layer of plasma or something... negatating the penetrative power of most weapons used against it...
Note...other sites with same story:
[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F08%2F19%2Fnmod19.xml"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F08%2F19%2Fnmod19.xml[/url]
[url="http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020820-86081662.htm"]http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020820-86081662.htm[/url]
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One reason that metals are used as penetrators is their superior density, so they have a harder punch than glass for a given velocity. A non-metalic penetrator will be less effective against the standard armor that the vehicle will still have to carry to protect itself from non-shaped charge weapons, like rifles and medium caliber solid ammo.
Also even if a perfect non-conductive warhead was perfected this armor will continue to protect against the huge number of weapons already deployed throughout the world. So while it might not help much the next time you were involved in a fight with a major country that can affort to replace all its anti-vehicle weapons; this armor will be a great thing to have in ongoing low intensity or peacekeeping conflicts, where the weapons you are worried about are current RPGs that have already been produced.
The MBTS and heavier MCV's of most armies can already defeat it,it has a small warhead, and the actual penetration round is awfully damn small.
After an RPG round went through a wall, (about 4cm of masonry is what Ive heard) the penetrator was stopped by a kevlar vest.
The size and mass, and density of heavier penatrators means that unless you have ALOT of energy, there is no way in hell you can vaporize the penetrator, I mean the favorites now are depleted Uranium and for when thats over kill tungstun, both are denser then copper and have a higher melting point (if I rember right), so stopping those is still a matter of having your own dense mass that likes staying together
(side note, the M1A1 includes DU as part of the armor, thus explaining why the damn things are impossible to destroy)
All the official government documentation Ive seen gives the RPG a penetration rating of some 600 millimeters of cold rolled steel when it hits straight on, if you have an angle, its much less effective.
Does mean the smaller AT missles wont be that effective though, so everybody is going to have to switch back to bigger MBT's instead of light tanks, running heavier guns.
Or go for railguns, the US army is talking about fielding them on tanks in about 10 years [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
as far as a new breed of lighter tanks... nope.... too expensive... you simply do as the british have done.. spead out the heavies you have over your lighter ones... mixed cadres of armour, seeing that now your APC's etc have a good survivability rate...
until they run over a tank mine, or a down looking missile hits them, or someone drops a couple stick of good ole powergel on something important...or blows half a mountain down on top of them...
and it doesnt matter how much armour you have if the troop door is open....
nothing is infallible....
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[b]I believe you're thinking of that ion shield thing that was posted about here some time ago.[/b][/quote]
Yup, that must have been it.
- PJH
I still think the heavies have a place, becaus when properly supported by infantry and artillary, they are damn hard to stop without your own heavy tanks, or command of the air (and the state of battlefield AA makes direct support almost suicide these days)
[b]sure.. ceramics suck in terms of weight and density... the point was no shield/armour, is ever going to stop everything...
as far as a new breed of lighter tanks... nope.... too expensive... you simply do as the british have done.. spead out the heavies you have over your lighter ones... mixed cadres of armour, seeing that now your APC's etc have a good survivability rate...
until they run over a tank mine, or a down looking missile hits them, or someone drops a couple stick of good ole powergel on something important...or blows half a mountain down on top of them...
and it doesnt matter how much armour you have if the troop door is open....
nothing is infallible....[/b][/quote]
A more detailed article in the press over here in the UK was a bit more helpful. The conductivity of the shell is actually irrelivant, because the circuit is made by the deformation of the outer plate onto the inner plate on impact. Each plate subsection is individually earthed and isolated so that after the initial shock (vapourising any incurring object - conductive or not, simply due to the heat exchange), that section is deactivated allowing the other plates to carry on protecting the tank. Think of it like a circuit breaker that has a built in delay.
To be honest, the bit that shocked (sorry) me, was the fact that the system was entirely powered by the tanks normal power source, with no extra power cells or anythink. I can only guess that it must be some form of ultra high amp, low voltage swap?
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Yeah, the M1A1 and now the M2A2 are actually steel incased DU armor, and it can go 65 on a level field..they are insane.
Tungston is a popular one because it's HARD, had a decent mass, and it takes a HUGE amount of energy to change it's temperature, something along the lines of around 4x the amount of energy it takes to heat water, which is one of the highest "common" substances in terms of how much energy it takes to change it's temp (think about boiling water, or just heating an electric element to 212 degrees F..the metal will get that hot very quickly in comparison). Which means it can pierce a target w/o deformation from the impact or from the heat generated..tip a DU slug with that, and you can see how the A10's 30mm gun can slice any tank in half almost instantly. The combination of a hard, non deforming tip and the huge mass is devistating.
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tungsten penetrators have been around for donkeys... the Germans used them to great effect during WW2... only a starvation of supply of raw materials stopped them from using them all the time.
the worst thing you can do is rely solely on technology...
the best Tankers in the world are the Israeli's.... why ?
because they used the most old fashioned ways of fighting... scads of them died in combat because their commanders always left thier hatches up while they fought... eyeball to eyeball.. binocular to binocular.
its a shame the Merkava has such a nasty shot trap betwixt hull and turret.