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ATI's NEW R300 take that nVidia!!!

C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
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Damn I would like one of ATI's Radeon9700 when it's relised in september!! Well, a link to where you can findout how good it is! [url="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656&p=1"]http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1656&p=1[/url]
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  • RubberEagleRubberEagle What's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
    yeah.... gonna be my next vidcard... my 8500 is kinda rusty allready [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Will it's drivers work?
    Will the .13 NV30 that comes out 4 months later beat it?
    Will the stupid hot pink color blind you?

    OOOh, the suspense.

    Sorry, I just don't like ATI's cards, and I'm not going to spend $400 on one. They've never worked right for me. That and it's a DX9 part..and just look at all of the DX9 games that are on the shelves! Oh..wait..DX9 isn't even OUT yet!

    Assuming I have the money (which is an unknown because I am moving away to school) I'll wait until the spring to upgrade any part of my system at this point. Then the Radeon 10billion will be out, as well as the NV35..both will be mature parts by then and we'll see if the drivers for either card are good and stable at that point. And they'll probably be using DDR II.

    But, yes, it's specs and benchmarks are impressive, and for the moment they are the fastest..this leapfrog game of every 3 to 4 months is insane.
  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    Yeah, I'm worried about the drivers myself, but I will buy a new computer in 20 days and I thought about getting a Geforce4 ti-4600, but I think I will get the R9700 instead. But the R9700 is shipping in 30 days so, I got to wait a bit for the purshasing then.

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  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    I *love* ATI's cards. But I hate their drivers. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    I'm hoping their unified drivers will fix some of the problems. ATI's hardware has always been incredible. This is clear to anyone who looks into the matter. The components are better, the quality of the output is better, and they just work better. But the drivers are terrible. They are often incompatible with 3d applications and games, and have memory management problems.
    But we've seen what happens when ATI makes a driver set well. Look at the huge performance boost the Radeon 8500 had after the updated drivers! I'm sure even more gaming goodness could be pulled from the card were the software powering it improved.
    Hopefully the R9700 will perform well. And I'm sure nVidia has an ace up its sleeve. Whether this is a driver upgrade or a new chip/manufacturing process, we will find out. But I'm sure they have not been unaware of this coming.
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Did you read that part on anandtech tho?? They are BREAKING the unified driver with the 9700!!! They finally get it, and then they decide not to go with it. They say now that this is "the foundation for a new set of drivers"..which means that all of you with 8500s or older are SCREWED, and that they now have a whole new set of drivers to develop..

    BTW-now might be the time to get a 4600, I bet the price on em drops.
  • RubberEagleRubberEagle What's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
    all the reviews with the PRE-RELEASE drivers said that they found NO flaws at all with the drivers...
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    Wait...so they're abandoning the unified drivers before they even went mainstream? What is going on inside ATi?

    The unified driver set was going to be the solution to so many problems! Instead of making a driver for each card, one set would be needed. More resources could be diverted to the development of this single driver set, and thus would result in more driver releases of better quality.

    Also, there are always problems. You can't have flawless drivers, especially for a pre-release ATi card. I'll investigate this further when I have the time. But it could be that ATi has once again rigged the drivers for the expected tests. They did it in the past. I've lost my trust in ATi.
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Andandtech does the most comprehensive reviews (that I have seen), and they have stuck to the same set of benchmarks for a while.

    Also, the card they got was a super good chunk of silicon, ATI has not yet decided on the final clock rate but the one they got was 325...and that seemed to be the optimistic edge of the speed range...I hate it when they hand pick and overclock a card like that for the reviews.

    Yes, they are dropping the current unified core for the 9700 and are now going to start over. Maybe a good thing, but you can bet that in traditional ATI style they will now stop supporting the older cards completely. Ask anyone who has an OEM ATI card, espcially a mobile one with TV out features..one of my friends has one in his laptop, and there are no drivers/utils for XP that enable the TV out. ATI just says "it's up to the OEM to write it"..and yet Nvidia still supports cards that are 3 or 4 years old with new drivers that work in the latest OS...
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    nVidia's lasting support comes from the detonator drivers. The unified architecture is what makes it easier to support both old and new. Why bother writing two seperate batches of code if they do the same thing, interface with the same basic chip? I wouldn't imagine nVidia writing new drivers for the TNT2 and the TNT2M64 or the GF2/GF2MX. But ATi does for the Radeon LE and such.

    ATi has some great stuff, but the management just seems to terrible. They've got their priorities all wrong.
  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    Sooner or later, time will tell!!!
  • TheSaintTheSaint Ranger
    I need ideas for a cheap replacement of my current Voodoo 3 (cures you, 3Dfx!). Something that'll support most of the games that's come out in recent months, good driver support, no sign of company going under, etc.

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  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Geforce4 ti 4200 is a great bang for the buck board..

    An MX maybe..although they don't have pixel shaders..
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    If you're all excited that ATI has put out a card that beats the GeForce4, remember that this card is the next generation up. Chances are the NV30 will be just as good as the R300. Of course, that's bloody ages away. If I was building a computer in 30 days time and had enough money, I would go with the R300.

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  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    I think the Matrox Parahelia will be an *incredible* performer once the drivers are given an ever-so-slight kick in the ass.

    The card has really great potential. Visual quality is astounding, the feature set is remarkable. It really could be overclocked very nicely, too. Once the drivers are given a tune-up, It shoudl give a GF4 a run for its money.
  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    Well, the Radeon 9700 is manufactured on a 0.15-micron process and the NV30 will be manufactured on 0.13-micron process. But ATI will make a R300 with the 0.13-micron process and it will be called Radeon 10000. But it will be relised after the NV30.

    The Matrox Parahelia's problem IMO is the clock speed. But I would really like the surround gaming.

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  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    Tests show the chip *can* be Overclocked very well. It runs relatively cool for what it does. Matrox, IMHO, has a winner.
  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    And the GF4 ti-4600 can also be overclocked nicely. I would buy the ti-4600 over the Parahelia.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by Sanfam:
    [b]Tests show the chip *can* be Overclocked very well. It runs relatively cool for what it does. Matrox, IMHO, has a winner.[/b][/quote]

    Let's hope they can take advantage of that winner then.

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  • psycopsyco Ranger
    [quote]Originally posted by Sanfam:
    [b]nVidia's lasting support comes from the detonator drivers. The unified architecture is what makes it easier to support both old and new. .[/b][/quote]

    Isn't the NV30 going to be a lot of 3dfx tech? If so, I don't expect them to use Detonators for it.


    [quote]TheSaint:
    [b]I need ideas for a cheap replacement of my current Voodoo 3 (cures you, 3Dfx!). Something that'll support most of the games that's come out in recent months, good driver support, no sign of company going under, etc. [/b][/quote]

    Try the Radeon 8500le at newegg for about 95$. A small clock adjustment to retail speeds and it's neck and neck with the GF4 4200, a card a generation ahead of it. It's the best bang for the buck right now and the new Catalyst drivers are turning out to be as good as NVidias.
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  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    I'm sure the GF4 is a bit of 3dfx tech, as well.

    It's not like they'll just leave the chips on there, 3dfx labels and all. I'm sure they've made a variant of their own which works pretty well in comparison and will be compatible with their drivers.
  • psycopsyco Ranger
    The GF4 was already in development when they bought 3dfx. The NV30 is the first to use it. Which is why it's not the GeForce 5.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I think the NV30 was planned to be a wholey new chip anyway, even without 3DFX tech. Now, they can add some of that tech to it.

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  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    I still have my money on the nv30 and its native glide support. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    how 'bout we play a little game of double or nothing? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Well I ain't going to actually bet anything, but I reckon the NV30 will be a clear winner.

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  • C_MonC_Mon A Genuine Sucker
    There's no doubt that the NV30 will be better.
  • psycopsyco Ranger
    It should be faster, it's a newer card.
    The question is wether the drivers will push it to it's potential, after all, it's not just a core shrink and clock increase like the last few have been for the most part.

    The NV30 should be a great card like the R300 is turning out to be. Will it be the leap over the R300 that the R300 is over the GF4? Who knows, and for now, it doesn't matter.
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    I'm hoping nVidia won't pull another Detonator4 trick and *intentionally* slow the card by using limits in the drivers. IMHO, that was just terrible. It showed that nVidia was becoming less of a consumer-friendly company and more of a profit-minded corporation who finds the market as disposable. When that happens, we get bad stuff.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Yes. Bad stuff like M$ and Intel. If NVidia go that way it will be bad.

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  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    Care to elaborate on that Sanfam?

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