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Morrowind

KeyanKeyan Ranger
in Zocalo v2.0
Has anyone else here played Morrowind? I can't stop playing it, it's a horrible addiction..at least I don't have any classes over the summer or I would really be in trouble...

Anyway, it's the best single player RPG I have ever played.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I just picked it up the other day. It's very awe-inspiring, the world is amazing.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Yeah..the framerate is a little iffy, but in this case the tradeoff between looks and FPS is worth it.

    Be sure you've downloaded the patch for it, makes a number of enhancements (like target health bars) and fixes.

    I'm a lvl 29 Dark Elf of a custom class...I've already done the main quest, now I am messing with making my own weapons and stuff, and doing side quests and joining other groups..
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    My machine is the minimum specs. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    I've only had about 2 hours of play time so far (not enough free time!), so I've hardly got anywhere. I haven't even finished a single quest yet.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    well, here's one hint (assuming this hasn't happened to you yet)..follow the road from seyda neen to the left, after a while you'll see a book on the ground, followed shorty by a little surprise, and some decent items/source of income for the beginning adventurer..
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I haven't got out of Seyda Need yet, but I'll keep my eyes open for it.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • TyvarTyvar Next best thing to a St. Bernard
    The game kicks ass, but seriously biggles get out of the first town and head up to Balmora (use the stilt strider!) thats where things start getting really interesting
  • rcmodelsrcmodels Ranger
    really low fps on my current comp, we'll see the awesomeness when i get my comp built later this week [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Oddly, I have found on my system at least that if I run at 1600x1200 the frame rate is as high or higher than it is at lower resolutions..not that I am complaining.
  • MelkorMelkor Elite Ranger
    Keyan, the only explanation for that is that you have V-Sync enabled... otherwise you should have at least double the frame rates at 800x600 than you do at 1600x1200.


    Not played morrowind yet.... biggest drawback for me is that it isn't multiplayer capable... or so I've been told. (Which is strange considering it's running the NetImmerse engine and I know damned well that THAT is multiplayer capable....heh, what do you think powers the MMORPG Dark Age of Camelot?). Been stuck playing Neverwinter Nights myself. Good fun there.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I prefer single player, so I'm right at home in Morrowind. It's a continuous world without needing to be online.

    I quite like the levelup system in it. It's nice to get away from experience points for a change. Now leveling up means more, in that you reach a higher level when you get to a certain skill.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • WHY_oldWHY_old Elite Ranger
    See, Biggles, I Told ya it'd be right up your alley.

    Melkor: The reason it's not multiplayer capable is because it was DESIGNED to be a single player game, and as it is it wouldn't translate well into a multiplayer mode at all without some MAJOR coding changes.
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Yeah, it would not work as a multiplayer game, esp since a lot of the encounters with enemies are one on one, and a group of two would just destroy them.

    I do have vsynch enabled, and if I could get 85 or even 60fps in this game at ANY resolution I would be impressed. Espcially since it's set at 85hz for all resolutions. And you are talking about only fill-rate, when I think the limiting factor here is more sheer poly counts- the polygon levels are nothing short of amazing.

    And it would be 4 times faster at 800x600 if fill rate was the only limiting factor.
  • MelkorMelkor Elite Ranger
    Why, I was not bashing morrowind for being SP only. I'm sure it's quite fun. I was merely stating that I prefer the social interaction of MP games.. and I don't mean Deathmatch or other PvP type multiplayer. I like Coop multiplayer. Hence why I'm playing Neverwinter Nights.

    Keyan, I know it SHOULD be 4 times more, I was just giving the chance that your video card may be old and unable to to go that high in framerates. I think the thing you do not understand is that "Framerates", pure framerates, ARE limited by your video cards fillrate. However, when you have V-Sync enabled, it forces your video card to refresh it's image at the same time your monitor refreshes its image....meaning your current frame rate has little to do with your video cards fillrate and more to do with the mechanics of your monitor...this is known as "Refresh rate", and is what you are talking about when you say things like "60Hz" or "75Hz". If you disable V-Sync, THEN your framerate becomes more dependant on your video card's capabilities as it's refreshing it's image independantly from your monitor.

    -Note, If your hardware profile, be it XP, Win2k, or Win98, says "Plug and Play monitor", it will be using the default refresh rate of 60Hz at all resolutions unless you specify otherewise. Also of note, some video games will control the refresh rate of your monitor independantly from what your OS has it set for. It may be forcing your monitor to run at 60Hz while in the game...which is the slowest HARDWARE refresh rate, and thus limits your framerates lower than the video card itself it capable of.

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    Is bad....is bad to open airlock in space... air go out like WOOSH!
  • WHY_oldWHY_old Elite Ranger
    NWN is good, it finally got that monkey off my back (and boredom... considering I pretty much played MW non-stop for a month and a half).
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    I know all of this, but thanks anyway.

    I run a refresh rate "fix" for my Geforce 4 TI 4600 so it goes to 85 hz at all resolutions in 3D. I cannot get 85fps in Morrowind at any time, unless maybe I am staring at a wall. Yes, a pure framerate is limted to the fillrate, assuming you are looking at a very low ploygon scene with a single light. However, a game like Morrowind where you have literally tens of thousands of ploygons being transformed in the hardware, as well as pixel shaders, shadows, and several light sources means you have a LOT more going on than just filling a surface with a plain old pixel.

    The simple truth is this- the game has some other limiting factors to it other than fillrate. Many others have reported the same thing. I will say this for it though- it looks AMAZING at 1600x1200 with all of the graphical stuff turned on, and the frame rate is certainly playable.

    My refresh rate, I repeat, is 85hz in 3d, be it at 1600x1200 or 640x480, so THAT WILL MAKE NO, as in ZERO, difference. It's not like my screen is refreshing at 60hz in 800x600 and 85hz in 1600x1200. I know how vsynch works, and when I do a show FPS in morrowind I am nowhere near 85fps, so my refresh rate does not matter at all.

    And yes, I do like the social interaction of multiplayer for coop, morrowind is like a MMORPG but without other real ppl. And, alas, on my measly modem with a HORRIBLE ISP multiplayer is very laggy and unreliable for me.

    [This message has been edited by Keyan (edited 07-10-2002).]
  • WHY_oldWHY_old Elite Ranger
    Keyan: Go get fallout 2 before you pass judgement on the "Best single player RPG ever".
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    That I have played, note the qualifier.

    It wasn't a global statement referring to all RPGs, just the few that I have played.

    I think maybe I played it a bit once, or maybe that was fallout..does 2 still use the turn based combat system?
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Yes.
    Personally, I think Fallout 2 is the best RPG out there.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Well, is possible, but I didn't like that combat system much, that's just me tho.

    And I like the editor/expandability of Morrowind a LOT.
  • MelkorMelkor Elite Ranger
    Keyan, next time you're running something that "forces" your computer to act in a certain way, please inform us when you're trying to brag or knock on said thing. I would not have gone into my rant about the differences had I known you had "forced" the refresh rate of your video card to be at 85Hz... as without saying that you sounded rather clueless and I was just trying to explain the differences between the two things in simpler terms.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Tonight I left Seyda Neen for Balmora. I decided that the first time, I would walk. I reckon it will be good to see the country side, and you never know what might happen on the way. So far, I've got to Pelagiad (it started raining, and I was looking at the scenary a lot). Just walking through the country is so amazing and relaxing. It's a wonderful feeling, something I haven't felt in a computer game since I first played TLJ.

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    [b][url="http://www.minbari.co.uk/log12.2263/"]Required reading[/url][/b]
    Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
    "Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
  • WHY_oldWHY_old Elite Ranger
    Wait untill you get caught in a real thunderstorm.

    it's the first time I went "HOLY SH*T" over a game in a long time.
  • TyvarTyvar Next best thing to a St. Bernard
    forget the thunderstorm

    G$@ D#%* CLIFF RACERS! Is it just me or are those things every ten feet! they drive me utterly nuts!

    They arent even that interesting of an apponent after a while!
  • WHY_oldWHY_old Elite Ranger
    Here's a tip if you don't want to put up with those damned cliffracers:

    Go into the Construction set, and open up the main file. Go to the "Creatures" tab, open up the Cliffracer one, and click, I think, the "AI" button to open up it's AI properties. Edit the number labeled "Attack" to somewhere below fifty. That'll make them more docile without removing them completely.
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    On Morrowind summit there is a mod called realistic creatures or something to that effect that does a very good job of nullifing the annoying critters in the game....it won't stop things like nix hounds from attacking, but it stops normal cliff racers and rats, the dieseased varient will only attack if attacked, and the blighted will attack you no matter what.

    I wasn't trying to brag or knock on anything, I was just saying that the frame rate isn't high in the game and it seems to be fairly independent of the resolution you are running. In this style of game the FPS don't matter as much anyway, you get so immersed that you just don't notice.
  • Mr TyrannyMr Tyranny Trainee
    Yup.. Morrowwind is awesome.

    To fix that pesky framerate dl the official patch, install it and then go [url="http://www.morrowind.nm.ru/"]Here[/url] and download the Morrowwind FPS Optimizer. It makes one Hell of a huge difference. It dynamically changes the render settings on the fly to keep it above a FPS range you set in the proggie.I would recommend setting the FPS range from 15 minimum to 20 maximum. It will still go higher than the settings just not lower. You can also use it to change the view distance mins and maxs. As far as why the framerate suffers it seems that the programmers forgot to enable culling in the game engine. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/rolleyes.gif[/img] The game renders [i]EVERYTHING[/i] in the current enviroment, not just what is seen onscreen. Thats why dungeons and interiors run smooth and the outside is so choppy. Unfortunately the devs have stated that they dont have the resorces or approval to fix it so the FPS Optimizer program is all there is.

    Enjoy! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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  • WHY_oldWHY_old Elite Ranger
    I'd have to say that this is one game that would REALLY benefit from LOD-ing.
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    It would benefit from culling a lot more than LOD, since the view distance isn't incredably long in the first place. IMO, I HATE LOD "popping" as it is, which is probably skewing my opinion [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img] I figured that was the problem before, but I had no way to confirm that the engine wasn't culling..in theory, some of the newer video cards SHOULD be doing their own culling, but who knows...

    Also, the patch removes the constant safedisc check which leads to an immediate increase of about 10-20% according to users who use the "no cd" crack to disable it before the patch.

    [This message has been edited by Keyan (edited 07-15-2002).]
  • Mr TyrannyMr Tyranny Trainee
    I was digging thru the Morrowind forums and came across this [url="http://www.elderscrolls.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=tech&Number=587948&page=3&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=all&fpart="]highly informative thread.[/url] Should answer all your questions and fix a few things too. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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    [b]The Name Says It All[/b]
    Castle Wolfenstein Junkie
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