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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Personally, I would get a Geforce4 Ti 4600 before I got dual processors.

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by JackN:
    [b]The use of multiple processors on a mother board is dependent on the Operating Systems ability to manage it, and also the applications ability to make use of it.

    Only recently has the Windows OS designs started to get better, and Linux and other unix flavors have been at it for a while already.

    This is why you would see high end 3D packages being made for unix based machines, up until a few years ago.

    Now, with 3DS Max, Lightwave 6.x and above, Maya, Soft Image, etc being able to use the Multi-threading, and NT, 2000, XP delivering the ability to Multi-thread, the end user can get more out of his home machine...

    [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote]


    I've run Multiprocessors on NT4 and FreeBSD, i've currently got 2 multiprocessor FreeBSD machines running an SMP kernel.
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b]Personally, I would get a Geforce4 Ti 4600 before I got dual processors.

    [/b][/quote]

    That was more my point, for most people the money is better spent on a better graphics card, or more memory, or a bigger harddrive (or even a second huge drive)
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b]Personally, I would get a Geforce4 Ti 4600 before I got dual processors.

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    Funny thing is, the dual chips + mobo would still be cheaper than that GF4 Ti4600. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] You're talking a ~$400 card vs. spending ~$300 on the processors and motherboard. If you are going to get a GF4, go for the Ti4200. Its only a fraction slower than the 4600 (benchmarks show a whopping 10fps difference) and is easily half the price.

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Vertigo1:
    [b] Funny thing is, the dual chips + mobo would still be cheaper than that GF4 Ti4600. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] You're talking a ~$400 card vs. spending ~$300 on the processors and motherboard. If you are going to get a GF4, go for the Ti4200. Its only a fraction slower than the 4600 (benchmarks show a whopping 10fps difference) and is easily half the price.

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    GeForce4 Ti-4600 w/TV-out (Retail Box)
    128M AGP SVGA Card w/TV-out
    $305


    Geforce4 Ti4600 VIVO (Retail Box)
    128M TI-4600 Geforce4 AGP Video Card w/TV out/ DVI/ VIVO
    $319

    Ti4600 DDR 128M AGP Retail Box TV-out
    $325


    Not much more than the $300 for the processor/mobo
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by Vertigo1:
    [b] Funny thing is, the dual chips + mobo would still be cheaper than that GF4 Ti4600. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] You're talking a ~$400 card vs. spending ~$300 on the processors and motherboard. If you are going to get a GF4, go for the Ti4200. Its only a fraction slower than the 4600 (benchmarks show a whopping 10fps difference) and is easily half the price.[/b][/quote]

    It may be more expensive, but it will have a far greater impact on gaming performance. Since most of my non-gaming time on computers these days is spent programming, that's all that matters to me. As for A#'s, well I would suggest he check if Blender supports multi-threading.

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b] It may be more expensive, but it will have a far greater impact on gaming performance. Since most of my non-gaming time on computers these days is spent programming, that's all that matters to me. As for A#'s, well I would suggest he check if Blender supports multi-threading.

    [/b][/quote]


    Dual processor is great for crunching twice as many units one one machine [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Personally, I don't plan on using my computer solely for distributed computing apps. That's the server's job (just as soon as I work out why it doesn't go). [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b]Personally, I don't plan on using my computer solely for distributed computing apps. That's the server's job (just as soon as I work out why it doesn't go). [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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    thats why both my dual processor machines are FreeBSD [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    Note:
    Nobody use any Creative audio cards. They've got numerous well known bugs and to a past, some of which consists of low-quality driver releases and terrible technical support.

    I suggest you go for another manufacturer.

    The best, so far, is the Hercules Gaming Theater XP, but this is expensive. Right below that are the three Philips products, the Acoustic Edge (Six channel goodness), the Seismic Edge (Four channel goodness), and the Rhythmic Edge (Two channel goodness). Sadly, I don't believe they are made anymore (blame poor marketing), but I know they can be found at various locations.

    buy.com, best buy, Micro Center, etc.
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    Sanfam: Eh? I haven't had the first problem with my SB Live. Anyways, you forget that the Sound Blaster line of Creative cards are the most widely supported sound cards on the planet. They're also the most common on-board sound chipsets.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    You know, I've never had a single problem with any of my Creative cards.

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  • psycopsyco Ranger
    [quote]Originally posted by Sanfam:
    [b]Note:
    Nobody use any Creative audio cards. They've got numerous well known bugs and to a past, some of which consists of low-quality driver releases and terrible technical support.

    I suggest you go for another manufacturer.

    The best, so far, is the Hercules Gaming Theater XP, but this is expensive. Right below that are the three Philips products, the Acoustic Edge (Six channel goodness), the Seismic Edge (Four channel goodness), and the Rhythmic Edge (Two channel goodness). Sadly, I don't believe they are made anymore (blame poor marketing), but I know they can be found at various locations.

    buy.com, best buy, Micro Center, etc.[/b][/quote]


    That's why I recomended the Santa Cruz. It is as trouble free as a sound card can get, sounds as good as anything out and for 59$ at newegg.com it's hard to beat.

    I know a lot of people have never had problems with SB's, but it also seems to be the maker with the most problems and the worst support(like making people pay for new drivers on a new card).
  • AnlaShokAnlaShok Democrat From Hell
    Also trouble-free with all my SB cards, except the one that had moved from PC to PC until some of the connectors broke off....

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  • A2597A2597 Fanboy
    WOOT!!!

    amazing, here is my PC, in stock at the nearest store!
    [url="http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=293931"]http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=293931[/url]

    KILLER!

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  • build! don't buy. I have learned my lesson twice. My computer is all purchased and parts en route... just gotta get me a vid card... the tnt2 will suffice for now
  • JackNJackN <font color=#99FF99>Lightwave Alien</font>
    Presario???

    Barf!


    Anyway, back on the topic of SB cards...

    Never a problem with the SB Live...

    Only troublesome card for me in the Creative Labs past was the AWE 32.

    My Dell uses an onboard TBS Montego II. Sweet!

    Turtle Beach has always made sweet stuff...
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [quote]Originally posted by A2597:
    [b]WOOT!!!

    amazing, here is my PC, in stock at the nearest store!
    [url="http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=293931"]http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=293931[/url]

    KILLER![/b][/quote]

    [b]NOOOOO![/b]

    Don't buy a package deal, and especially DON'T BUY A COMPAQ (or similar)! They use cheap components and they are typically unexpandable. Remember what happened last time you bought a package deal from one of the big makers? You ended up with no 3D accelleration and no AGP slot.

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  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b] [b]NOOOOO![/b]

    Don't buy a package deal, and especially DON'T BUY A COMPAQ (or similar)! They use cheap components and they are typically unexpandable. Remember what happened last time you bought a package deal from one of the big makers? You ended up with no 3D accelleration and no AGP slot.

    [/B][/quote]


    My problem with pacakge machines like that, is that they are so un-upgradable, to the point of propriatary case and motherboard design, so you can't pop out the mobo and put in a new one
  • Don't mind me..just testing something.
  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Here is the system I just ordered for my uncle from [url="http://www.newegg.com:"]www.newegg.com:[/url]

    VGA CARDEX|GF4 TI4200 128MBTV RT 1 $173.00
    CD MS|WINDOWS XP HOME EDITION 1 $90.00
    MB VIA KT266A|A7V266-E AA PA ASUS% 1 $125.00
    MODEM USR|56K V.90 HW PCI 2977 WO/V 1 $40.00
    MOUSE MS|INTELLI OPTICAL Ver. 1.1a 1 $21.00
    KB LOGITECH|DELUXE ACCESS 104 PS/2 1 $13.00
    CASE EVERCASE|P4ATXMD300W E4252WEFA 1 $41.00
    DVD|TOSHIBA 16X SD-M1612 OEM % 1 $39.00
    CDRW 24X10X40|AOPEN CRW2440 RTL 1 $58.00
    HD 60GB|SEAGATE ST360021A 7200% 1 $87.00
    CPU AMD|1800+/266 ATHLON 1.53GXP RT 1 $105.00
    DDRAM 256MB|32X64 PC-2100 CRUCIAL% 2 $108.00

    Subtotal $900.00
    Tax $.00
    Shipping and Handling charge 45.80
    Total $945.80

    Definatly not a bad computer.

    Ok, on the Creative cards: I have installed around 5 Lives, I personally use an audigy, and I have NEVER had a problem with them, period. As long as your motherboard conforms to spec you should not have any problems at all.
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    Well, I just helped A2597 choose a system for himself to build, and such.

    Mostly from Newegg.com. Total price was just under 1000.

    Case:
    ANTEC Workstation Tower Model SX830;

    Core Components:
    MSI KT3 Ultra (Integrated sound, upgradable in the future, but of good quality)
    AMD ATHLON XP 1800+/266 FSB PROCESSOR
    2xCRUCIAL MICRON 256MB 32x64 PC 2100 DDR RAM (512MB)
    ALPHA PAL8045T. Heat Sink ONLY
    VANTEC's STEALTH SF8025L

    Drives:
    MAXTOR 80GB 7200RPM
    PIONEER INTERNAL ATAPI 16X DVD-ROM
    TDK VeloCD 40x12x48 Burnproof-equipped burner
    eac 1.44MB 3.5 Inch Floppy Drive

    Graphics:
    VGA CHAINTECH Geforce3 TI200 128MB TV

    OS:
    Microsoft Windows XP Professional - OEM (Don't need any fargin' box!)

    It's a damn good system using damn good parts. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    Didn't anyone see that link I posted for XP for $32?

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  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    [quote]Originally posted by Biggles:
    [b] It may be more expensive, but it will have a far greater impact on gaming performance. Since most of my non-gaming time on computers these days is spent programming, that's all that matters to me. As for A#'s, well I would suggest he check if Blender supports multi-threading.

    [/b][/quote]

    Not bloody likely since he'll need atleast a 1.5GHz processor to even take close to full advantage of that GF4. Even with a 700MHz processor, I can't even take full advantage of my GF3.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I'm assuming he's going to get at least a 1.3GHz processor. Noone gets anything less these days unless their budget is too restricted. And if you're going to get dual processors, your budget can't be that restricted.

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  • Vertigo1Vertigo1 Official Fuzzy Dice of FirstOnes.com
    Actually, you can get a dual processor system and still have a restricted budget. Do what I do and buy the system a part or two at a time.

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  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Only problem with that is you pay a TON more for shipping..
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    not always. Processors aren't expensive to ship.

    I'llprobably be building a duallie for myself. It'll involve
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Involve what??? What will it involve?!?!?! TELL ME! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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  • KeyanKeyan Ranger
    Yes, but everyone puts a blanket charge of around $5 on every order, and then they will charge sometimes lierally pennies more for stuff until you fill a box or bump into the next highest insurance bracket..like once I forgot a floppy drive and added it in, and the cost went up all of like $.30, compaired to the $5 fee it would have been if I had ordered seperately..
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