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Reality check (Time to speak)
Indigo
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I know Ken tried very hard and I know that we all appreciate his efforts. Thanks for all your hard work, I'm sorry it didn't pay off.
Anyway, I should have said something awhile ago when I first noticed a problem. One more thing, don't let this become a debate topic unless you have some obsession with wasting your time. I saw a major mistake in our efforts to revive the game. First of all, Codemasters and their decision alone became our primary concern, letting the possibility of other companies dwindle away to an afterthought. This means that we let the entire future of this game depend on the decisions of a single company. Does that seem like a mistake to you? Once Codemasters became our primary concern, we let the demand go way down by not keeping up our efforts on any other potential publishers. NONE OF THE OTHER PUBLISHERS HEARD A WORD FROM US! We were too busy keeping an eye on every time Ken and Codemasters took a sh!t. Making sure we knew what kind of toilet paper they were using! And I don't want to hear about how our support for Codemasters wouldn't have been as strong, because you all know as well as I do, that is a line of you know what. Lastly, Where is JMS???!!!!!!!! This line about not being able to show any support for the game, and I'm not talking about affiliating himself with Firstones(in case anyone tries to jump on my ass about that). FirstOnes may seem like a large voice to us, but JMS is the only one who could have influence enough to do what is needed. This is not an attack of JMS, so hold on. What I'm saying is that JMS needs to agknowledge the game and show support for it, and not for us, so that again he does not have to affiliate himself with Firstones. He needs to treat the game as though it was important rather than concealing it from view like an illegitimate love child. Mentioning it offchance isn't really what I'd call support. The way things are going, it's going to end up like battlestar gallactica.
One more thing...
I think that it is too late for ITF. Perhaps other incarnations of B5 will be made in the future, but this isn't one of them. Gladly I can say (for myself at least) that I have learned from my mistakes and will move on from here. What I suggest is that you do not focus on a single publisher if you are still determined to get the game done. Keep as many options available as possible, no matter how promissing one of them looks. And if you really want to get noticed, let's find out how much it would cost to get a two-page ad in a game magazine. I say two-page because they're the only ones that get any real attention.
I hope everyone here has a good day
BTW it's finally raining here! [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Anyway, I should have said something awhile ago when I first noticed a problem. One more thing, don't let this become a debate topic unless you have some obsession with wasting your time. I saw a major mistake in our efforts to revive the game. First of all, Codemasters and their decision alone became our primary concern, letting the possibility of other companies dwindle away to an afterthought. This means that we let the entire future of this game depend on the decisions of a single company. Does that seem like a mistake to you? Once Codemasters became our primary concern, we let the demand go way down by not keeping up our efforts on any other potential publishers. NONE OF THE OTHER PUBLISHERS HEARD A WORD FROM US! We were too busy keeping an eye on every time Ken and Codemasters took a sh!t. Making sure we knew what kind of toilet paper they were using! And I don't want to hear about how our support for Codemasters wouldn't have been as strong, because you all know as well as I do, that is a line of you know what. Lastly, Where is JMS???!!!!!!!! This line about not being able to show any support for the game, and I'm not talking about affiliating himself with Firstones(in case anyone tries to jump on my ass about that). FirstOnes may seem like a large voice to us, but JMS is the only one who could have influence enough to do what is needed. This is not an attack of JMS, so hold on. What I'm saying is that JMS needs to agknowledge the game and show support for it, and not for us, so that again he does not have to affiliate himself with Firstones. He needs to treat the game as though it was important rather than concealing it from view like an illegitimate love child. Mentioning it offchance isn't really what I'd call support. The way things are going, it's going to end up like battlestar gallactica.
One more thing...
I think that it is too late for ITF. Perhaps other incarnations of B5 will be made in the future, but this isn't one of them. Gladly I can say (for myself at least) that I have learned from my mistakes and will move on from here. What I suggest is that you do not focus on a single publisher if you are still determined to get the game done. Keep as many options available as possible, no matter how promissing one of them looks. And if you really want to get noticed, let's find out how much it would cost to get a two-page ad in a game magazine. I say two-page because they're the only ones that get any real attention.
I hope everyone here has a good day
BTW it's finally raining here! [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Comments
Indigo, you are right in saying that it's important to keep as many options open as possible, but I think in this case, going with Codemasters was our best chance.
Ohh, and I will not give up on B5:ITF because I'm stubborn.
P.S. Congrats on finally getting some rain. [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/smile.gif[/img] [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/smile.gif[/img]
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[b]Lastly, Where is JMS???!!!!!!!! This line about not being able to show any support for the game, and I'm not talking about affiliating himself with Firstones(in case anyone tries to jump on my ass about that). FirstOnes may seem like a large voice to us, but JMS is the only one who could have influence enough to do what is needed. [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote]
I must say I was surprised at the lack of any major support from JMS! Even the Official Babylon 5 Mag did little to help, apart from run some stories about the games demise months after events had taken place. Maybe JMS had his hands tied for some reason. It would have been important though for him to raise his voice!
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Didn't he do enough by CREATING the whole thing in the first place?
Leave him out of it. He just went through all the same crap with the people crying to cancel B5, then Crusade, THEN cancelling his new series with Chris Carter the day they were to sign the deal.
He has a hard enough fight just trying to tell his stories, let alone fight for a game that has no profit for him. He can't do it all, what with the books and comics... Geez guys. I can't believe you'd even suggest such a thing. Into the Fire is OUR crusade, not his. He needs to rest, and be thanked for what he has done, not critisized for what he didn't do.
As silencergroup said, the man went through hell just trying to get B5 into production (B5 wasn't ended early, BTW; JMS intended for the show to end after five seasons). He's got enough on his plate as it is; he couldn't help much even if he wanted to. Besides, given the treatment he's been given over the years, it's not likely that his involvement would have had any practical benefit. We should all be thankful that he remained persistent (or stubborn [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/wink.gif[/img] ) and didn't give up on his dreams; otherwise, we wouldn't have had B5 and all that has come from (and WILL come from) it. [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/smile.gif[/img]
Besides, this is our fight: we're the ones who want the game; therefore, it's only fitting that we be the ones to carry on the struggle (unless anyone feels like dropping out [img]http://www.firstones.com/forums/tongue.gif[/img]).
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[This message has been edited by An ex-Squid (edited 03-08-2000).]
[This message has been edited by An ex-Squid (edited 03-08-2000).]
By the way i've noticed something. Yes JMS didn't really support this. This whole into the fire game was a spin off like Crusade and look what happened. JMS said in Lurker's that Crusade was a surprise with a price. A price that wrecked it. He wrote the shows but the network had the power. That explains why (in my humble opinion) that it sucked. I never got attached to any of the characters, it got boring, long repititive. It became what Babylon 5 was said to become. A DS9 POC(piece of). And yes JMS did say that. Check. I doubt if he cares. The game has a chance, we got bullheaded and acted like the codemasters were almost holy. Their are other more prospective companies out there. Sierra isn't as bad as said. They were just jumping on opportunity like everyone else. Now it's multiplayer or nothin. That's why I think the game was cancelled. I loved the screenshots, the movies, the site here at firstones that used to be the official for the game. I hope that either Activision or Possibly interplay (though they might be too busy on their current projects) but i like them the best. My personal best company is blizzard. But I doubt their interested in a game of that genre.
"The truth falls to itself"
-Kosh
In the Beginning just before the battle of the line
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BTW, kamakazie... on you signiture you quoted Kosh in "in the beginning" as saying "The truth falls to itself" but he really said, "the truth points to itself" just FYI
The Remster