Still, a most excellent job there Worf, despite the obstacles. A reboot of Babylon 5, an interesting proposition. Since we don't have a shuttle program anymore, we still need to keep the dream alive. :)
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
I'm super jealous! :D
As much as I hate to say it, I think Peter is right. If there's to be more B5 it would have to be rebooted. Sadly we've lost too many core actors now, and everyone else is getting old.
That said, I also agree with Stephen. As rich as the universe of B5 is, I almost agree it should be left alone now. Almost. I would however love to see it with all the cgi and effects re-rendered like TLT or David of Mac's
I like that he said only if JMS was involved with a movie or a reboot.
And we can be quite sure he won't go for the reboot option. It would be nice to see the CGI updated though, David of Mac's videos demonstrate just how good it could look.
Aye, a character that rich would be very difficult to "reboot." On the other hand it could work if it was designed so the characters were not exactly the same. They have the same basic general idea but taken in a different direction so that while they serve similar purpose in the story, they are taken in other directions. Still as strong, but different so it doesn't feel like a cheep imitation.
I personally think that I would rather see a reboot of Crusade.
A Crusade animated series would be pretty cool. Either something CG, like the Clone Wars, or maybe even traditional animation. I remember a big deal about Crusade was figuring out how to do big, different, expansive alien worlds on a weekly basis, and that'd solve the problem fairly well. And if they could get the whole original cast back, they could just adapt the existing episodes without too much trouble (taking the opportunity to clean up the continuity. And destroy "Warzone", because it sucked).
Yeah a Crusade reboot would be cool, and I like the animated series idea. However, finding a channel to air it on would be the issue. Sci-Fi...excuse me, Sy Fy, wouldn't think it fit its programming (*sigh*), and TNT would be even less likely. Doubtful the Networks would run it, we know how cutthroat they are. TBS maybe?
HBO? I kid I kid, because then we would REALLY see what the Pak'mara hump is!
One idea is make it more character centric and less alien of the week, kinda like what BattleStar started off as.
Another thought is going through Hulu or Netflix. I know Hulu has dabbled in origional programming before, but I think market penetration is now high enough where it just might work.
I'm not sure any network would be interested in picking up a series set in space. As far as the executives go, there just isn't any interest in it.
Proven by George Lucas having to shelve his plans for a live action Star Wars series because no network wanted it and of all the things that could build an audience, that would be it.
My understanding was that Lucas was punting the live-action series because he couldn't make it stick to any kind of rational budget, so he was waiting for the technology to improve to the point where he could make something like the prequels in terms realism and detail for a couple million dollars a pop.
El. Oh. El. But he wants what he wants, and it's not like there's anyone in charge of him to tell him to knuckle down and work within his limitations.
The budget was part of the reason for it. They said they could fund the show themselves but they didn't want to put all that money into the show only for a network to take it off air.
[QUOTE=David of Mac;193095]My understanding was that Lucas was punting the live-action series because he couldn't make it stick to any kind of rational budget, so he was waiting for the technology to improve to the point where he could make something like the prequels in terms realism and detail for a couple million dollars a pop.[/QUOTE]
I think we'll stand a better chance if we wait for a better George Lucas to come about than more powerful technology. :D
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
As far as scifi goes, I've given up on tv for now. There's just no appetite for it from the networks, and until the current craze for reality shows dies off there won't be
Imhotep, I agree about that worker. I even waited until the end of the day when they didn't have big queue so I wasn't keeping people waiting. She just seemed to be very miserable.
I don't mind a new story and new characters set in the B5 universe, just leave the existing material alone.
Thanks for the pics and interview, they are getting old!
What comes to discussion about B5 reboot, quite frankly I must say that I demand another scifi -series which have been thought from the beginning to the end... If it happens in Babylon 5 universe the better.
ShadowDancerWhen I say, "Why aye, gadgie," in my heart I say, "Och aye, laddie."London, UK
I think a new story set in the B5 universe would be better on balance, maybe set in the last 5-10 years of Sheridan's life, then at least you could have cameo's from some of the Old Guard.
"In Valen's Name" touched on some of what happened, but there could be a lot more. I was looking over "To Dream In The City of Sorrows," and found something interesting. Near the end, Sinclair contemplates quitting the Rangers, and Kosh tells him, "Only you can play the role as needed. Only you will see the difference." What little we know about Valen makes it look a bit like Sinclair was just going through the motions, and anyone with a passing familiarity with Minbari history and a giant space-station could've done it, so I was interested by the implication that there was some twist in the first shadow war that only Sinclair would've been able to navigate through.
It'd also be nice to know more about what it was all about (what it was [i]really[/i] all about) with the Vorlons and the Shadows. The Vorlons kept saying that they couldn't enter the war against the shadows because they didn't have their military built up yet, but we later found out that that was blowing smoke, and they weren't going to fight the shadows directly anyway because that wasn't their goal.
But that doesn't fit with the idea that the Vorlons were militarily involved in the first war, or for that matter that the Shadows [i]needed[/i] to be beaten. Eventually, they were going to turn around and leave anyway, since they'd finished kicking over the anthills. You also gotta wonder how exactly the Minbari and allies managed to drive off the shadows at all. The only clues are vague references to the Shadows moving openly much sooner in the prior war. Maybe the rules between the Vorlons and Shadows were revised after the prior war, and before that, it was acceptable for the Vorlons to promote order by shooting at anyone who tried promoting chaos.
For the Vorlons, it's not about beating the Shadows in open war, it's about getting the younger races to follow their idea of order, rather than the Shadow path of chaos and destruction. So they were probably involved with the first war just enough to convince the Minbari that the Shadows were a deadly enemy that had to be stopped at all costs.
Also keep in mind that while the Shadows slept for a thousand years, the Vorlons were always awake, manipulating the Minbari and the other races to follow them and fear the Shadows.
I remember there was a line from Z'Ha'Dum in the script book that was cut out of the final episode, where Morden or Justin or somebody mentions how the Vorlons broke the truce or something, in reference to the attack the Vorlons made a few episodes earlier that resulted in Kosh's death (Kosh was assassinated in retaliation for the Vorlons breaking the truce).
[QUOTE=WORF;193110]I don't want to dream about a B5 reboot, I like it the way it is.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't mind a BSG style reboot of B5, but yes, I agree, the original is great just the way it is, the performances can hardly be duplicated. I wonder what Ron Moore would do to B5. :D
Random ChaosActually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
Well, that is a loaded question, Imhotep. In the classic sense, yes. Every story that is told is based on portions of previous stories. The characters are different, the settings are different, the events are different. But the underlying theme is the same.
The only area you can create truely unique stories are in SciFi since a new technology/science can change the entire way things operate, thus allowing for a story in with different laws of events.
However, that said, each writing of a particular non-unique story is still unique in its own way. Even Ron Moore's stories are unique, as they are written new, and not copies of something old. The universe may be repeated, but the stories themselves are not.
Are you asking:
- Unique story or
- Unique universe
Rather than a Re-Boot, if they are going to do more B5, things could just be set in the B5 Universe, but new characters, new stories, much like was tried with Crusade. Star Trek, proved that you can have new shows, set in the same universe but with different characters and still have a goodish show (voyager ads the 'ish') There is a lot of time between the end of the series, and SiL, and a lot of stories in those years that don't have to involve the original cast. sure they could pop in from time to time if they wanted. but it wouldn't have to be all about them
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[QUOTE=Imhotep;193141]No offense, but I shutter at the thought of Ron Moore getting his hands on B5, though I know it would bever happen anyway. I like his work, but I would prefer he came up with an original idea to make into a series.
Have we really run out of original ideas?[/QUOTE]
Even Ron Moore has [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuality_%28TV_series%29]original ideas[/url].
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As much as I hate to say it, I think Peter is right. If there's to be more B5 it would have to be rebooted. Sadly we've lost too many core actors now, and everyone else is getting old.
That said, I also agree with Stephen. As rich as the universe of B5 is, I almost agree it should be left alone now. Almost. I would however love to see it with all the cgi and effects re-rendered like TLT or David of Mac's
And we can be quite sure he won't go for the reboot option. It would be nice to see the CGI updated though, David of Mac's videos demonstrate just how good it could look.
Just sayin'...
I personally think that I would rather see a reboot of Crusade.
One idea is make it more character centric and less alien of the week, kinda like what BattleStar started off as.
Another thought is going through Hulu or Netflix. I know Hulu has dabbled in origional programming before, but I think market penetration is now high enough where it just might work.
Proven by George Lucas having to shelve his plans for a live action Star Wars series because no network wanted it and of all the things that could build an audience, that would be it.
El. Oh. El. But he wants what he wants, and it's not like there's anyone in charge of him to tell him to knuckle down and work within his limitations.
I think we'll stand a better chance if we wait for a better George Lucas to come about than more powerful technology. :D
We can dream about a B5 reboot, because we all know it ain't gonna happen. Still, that universe would be such a nice MMOG. :D
I don't mind a new story and new characters set in the B5 universe, just leave the existing material alone.
What comes to discussion about B5 reboot, quite frankly I must say that I demand another scifi -series which have been thought from the beginning to the end... If it happens in Babylon 5 universe the better.
It'd also be nice to know more about what it was all about (what it was [i]really[/i] all about) with the Vorlons and the Shadows. The Vorlons kept saying that they couldn't enter the war against the shadows because they didn't have their military built up yet, but we later found out that that was blowing smoke, and they weren't going to fight the shadows directly anyway because that wasn't their goal.
But that doesn't fit with the idea that the Vorlons were militarily involved in the first war, or for that matter that the Shadows [i]needed[/i] to be beaten. Eventually, they were going to turn around and leave anyway, since they'd finished kicking over the anthills. You also gotta wonder how exactly the Minbari and allies managed to drive off the shadows at all. The only clues are vague references to the Shadows moving openly much sooner in the prior war. Maybe the rules between the Vorlons and Shadows were revised after the prior war, and before that, it was acceptable for the Vorlons to promote order by shooting at anyone who tried promoting chaos.
Also keep in mind that while the Shadows slept for a thousand years, the Vorlons were always awake, manipulating the Minbari and the other races to follow them and fear the Shadows.
I wouldn't mind a BSG style reboot of B5, but yes, I agree, the original is great just the way it is, the performances can hardly be duplicated. I wonder what Ron Moore would do to B5. :D
[URL="http://chroniclesofhumanity.com/"]No[/URL]. :)
The only area you can create truely unique stories are in SciFi since a new technology/science can change the entire way things operate, thus allowing for a story in with different laws of events.
However, that said, each writing of a particular non-unique story is still unique in its own way. Even Ron Moore's stories are unique, as they are written new, and not copies of something old. The universe may be repeated, but the stories themselves are not.
Are you asking:
- Unique story or
- Unique universe
They are very different things.
Have we really run out of original ideas?[/QUOTE]
Even Ron Moore has [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuality_%28TV_series%29]original ideas[/url].
How about J.J. Abrams? Lost, down below. :D
[QUOTE]Have we really run out of original ideas?[/QUOTE]
I don't think we ran out of ideas, the suits just don't have a lot of imagination. They are the limiting factor, not the authors.