[QUOTE=WORF;189178]I kinda wish JMS had made the second one before posting that.
Sure, the Lost Tales wasn't the best of Babylon 5 but it still would have been nice to see Londo and Garibaldi one more time.
Worf[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have to say that Lost Tales was very disappointing. I really expected better from JMS. Maybe he should take on the Telepath War instead? At the very least, he could give Crusade a proper ending.
RubberEagleWhat's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
The Problem is/was money. He had only 1 million $ for the lost tales (if i remember correctly), and no sets or costumes or CGI-assets were available to be reused. For comparison, a one hour episode of B5 cost on average 800.000$ with existing sets, costumes, CGI etc...
To do something like the Telepath war for just a million bucks (when was the last time you thought about a million bucks as a small amount of money?) would be even more disappointing...
Just let the B5 universe rest for good I say. I didn't care for The Lost Tales, and the Garibaldi story in the script book was pretty dumb too. Garibaldi wandering around in the dark talking to himself! Oh boy!
[QUOTE=DarthCaligula;189190]Just let the B5 universe rest for good I say. I didn't care for The Lost Tales, and the Garibaldi story in the script book was pretty dumb too. Garibaldi wandering around in the dark talking to himself! Oh boy![/QUOTE]
Couldn't be any dumber than the original script for "Severed Dreams". The original version had some of the worst dialogue that I've ever read in years!
For example: After Delenn showed up with the three war cruisers and the whitestar, she mentions that she "had some friends come along as well". (I'm paraphrasing here. Keep in mind that it's been about three years since I've read that particular script book.) Those friends were a shitload of vorlon transports/fighters. That little bit of dialogue alone totally undid the epicness of her "he's behind me, you're in-front of me!" quote!
The original script for Severed Dreams? I remember it being mostly like how the episode aired, but I do remember that part you mentioned. Yeah, it's a good thing that they took out that part, and I think JMS said in the introduction for that script that they realized that it weakened the scene, so they got rid of that part and just left it at the part we see in the actual episode.
And trust me, almost the entire Garibaldi Lost Tale was him wandering around in an underground cavern of Mars, talking to his communicator thing rambling on to the guy on the other end about what he's doing while he wanders through the dark. I'm not making this up.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
That sounds really cheap to film, which makes sense.
So the story was basically this: There's some guy working for Garibaldi, and they're flying or driving or something to this place that's supposed to be mines or something, oh yeah, and Mars now has a breatheable atmosphere, and so as they're going there, I think they talk about the rumors of ruins from an old civilization on Mars and stuff.
They get there, and there's a worker who betrays them, and Garibaldi and the other guy get stuck in the mines and totally seperated, but they have some communication devices, and I'm serious when I say that Garibaldi wanders around the caves talking to this guy over the communicator, and the guy on the other end isn't saying much, being kind of cryptic, and eventually Garibaldi finds some underground Martian ruins with a super ancient alien, who it turns out is actually who Garibaldi was talking to while wandering around, and the alien reveals that his race created humanity, and then he destroys what's left of the ruins and goes away, and Garibaldi's knocked out.
Garibaldi wakes up later on and finds out that the other guy actually died in the mine sabotage, and they caught the traitor guy, and Garibaldi now is a bit humbled by what he saw.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
Crusade would have been pretty badass actually. What we've seen was much better than B5's first season, and with what we knew that was coming next, is was going to get much better.
The thing is, there is so much to tell in the B5 universe. There just isn't anymore to tell with our main characters. Sure, cameos are great, but a new set of characters a la Crusade would work best, in a different setting.
There will not be good real Sci-Fi on TV until the networks accept that they are not going to get more than 4.5 million per episode, and that their real money will be made in Merchandise and DVD sales.
Yea, that script for Garibaldi sounds terrible, and there is so much to tell with his character. Owner of the largest corporation on Mars? The future Skunkworks stuff for the ISA? Espionage, intrigue, and revenge...these are things that work for him.
I wouldn't mind seeing B5 on the big screen, but what I'd LOVE to see is Season 1-5 re-released on blue ray, with all new special effects. All the 3D stuff revamped. THAT would kick ass.
Why does the soundtrack needs to be remastered? It sounds perfectly fine as it is.
Biggles<font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
[QUOTE=Entil'Zha;189274]There will not be good real Sci-Fi on TV until the networks accept that they are not going to get more than 4.5 million per episode, and that their real money will be made in Merchandise and DVD sales.[/QUOTE]
The smaller networks seem to get this to some degree. The problem is big networks taking on scifi projects and assuming they'll do as well as ER or CSI.
Exactly Biggles, I mean, Firefly had about the same ratings as BSG had, SciFi was willing to stick with BSG, while Firefly got shitcannned by fox. The big networks just don't seem to get the way TV is viewed in this day and age.
After watching that garbage, can you imagine why Legend of the Rangers didn't get picked up? ;)
[QUOTE=A2597;189278]I wouldn't mind seeing B5 on the big screen, but what I'd LOVE to see is Season 1-5 re-released on blue ray, with all new special effects. All the 3D stuff revamped. THAT would kick ass.[/QUOTE]
You're assuming that the film stock is being treated better than "The Gathering". Then there is how much care they gave the DVD transfers, which had an insane amount of compression artifacts from cramming four episodes to a disc.
They need to give the film the "Wizard of Oz" treatment, or not at all. (Though knowing WB they'll just upscale the DVD transfers, just like what MGM did for the Robocop blu-ray, and call it a day!)
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Sure, the Lost Tales wasn't the best of Babylon 5 but it still would have been nice to see Londo and Garibaldi one more time.
Worf
Sure, the Lost Tales wasn't the best of Babylon 5 but it still would have been nice to see Londo and Garibaldi one more time.
Worf[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have to say that Lost Tales was very disappointing. I really expected better from JMS. Maybe he should take on the Telepath War instead? At the very least, he could give Crusade a proper ending.
To do something like the Telepath war for just a million bucks (when was the last time you thought about a million bucks as a small amount of money?) would be even more disappointing...
Worf
Couldn't be any dumber than the original script for "Severed Dreams". The original version had some of the worst dialogue that I've ever read in years!
For example: After Delenn showed up with the three war cruisers and the whitestar, she mentions that she "had some friends come along as well". (I'm paraphrasing here. Keep in mind that it's been about three years since I've read that particular script book.) Those friends were a shitload of vorlon transports/fighters. That little bit of dialogue alone totally undid the epicness of her "he's behind me, you're in-front of me!" quote!
And trust me, almost the entire Garibaldi Lost Tale was him wandering around in an underground cavern of Mars, talking to his communicator thing rambling on to the guy on the other end about what he's doing while he wanders through the dark. I'm not making this up.
It also sounds crap.
They get there, and there's a worker who betrays them, and Garibaldi and the other guy get stuck in the mines and totally seperated, but they have some communication devices, and I'm serious when I say that Garibaldi wanders around the caves talking to this guy over the communicator, and the guy on the other end isn't saying much, being kind of cryptic, and eventually Garibaldi finds some underground Martian ruins with a super ancient alien, who it turns out is actually who Garibaldi was talking to while wandering around, and the alien reveals that his race created humanity, and then he destroys what's left of the ruins and goes away, and Garibaldi's knocked out.
Garibaldi wakes up later on and finds out that the other guy actually died in the mine sabotage, and they caught the traitor guy, and Garibaldi now is a bit humbled by what he saw.
The thing is, there is so much to tell in the B5 universe. There just isn't anymore to tell with our main characters. Sure, cameos are great, but a new set of characters a la Crusade would work best, in a different setting.
I also liked Crusade, though I do regret the choice of music.
I always felt Legend of the Rangers lacked the B5 feel. Lost Tales felt more B5 to me than LotR did.
But yeah, Crusade music sucked. And by sucked, I mean it was decent, but seriously, compare it to any Franke did, even in Season 1.
I wouldn't mind seeing B5 on the big screen, but what I'd LOVE to see is Season 1-5 re-released on blue ray, with all new special effects. All the 3D stuff revamped. THAT would kick ass.
The smaller networks seem to get this to some degree. The problem is big networks taking on scifi projects and assuming they'll do as well as ER or CSI.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZapAjjTDbh4[/url]
After watching that garbage, can you imagine why Legend of the Rangers didn't get picked up? ;)
[QUOTE=A2597;189278]I wouldn't mind seeing B5 on the big screen, but what I'd LOVE to see is Season 1-5 re-released on blue ray, with all new special effects. All the 3D stuff revamped. THAT would kick ass.[/QUOTE]
You're assuming that the film stock is being treated better than "The Gathering". Then there is how much care they gave the DVD transfers, which had an insane amount of compression artifacts from cramming four episodes to a disc.
They need to give the film the "Wizard of Oz" treatment, or not at all. (Though knowing WB they'll just upscale the DVD transfers, just like what MGM did for the Robocop blu-ray, and call it a day!)