Even if the SFX guys didn't know about the survival of the crew, the post production guys could have fixed the mistake in editing. They could have just cut out the wide exterior shots of the damaged Raptor and we wouldn't have this discussion.
If you look closely when Starbuck is going through all the charts and papers in her frantic search for Earth, not all of the documents and folders have the trademark corners. :D
According to the [URL="http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Arts_and_Literature_of_the_Twelve_Colonies#_ref-11"]Battlestar Wiki[/URL], not all documents have clipped corners (reference 12).
Yeah, I'm sure they have closets full of excuses to explain away their goof-ups.
You see, the reason why the Raptor didn't end up as damaged as the SFX made it look like is that the Raptor's hull is covered in the same bullet-proof paint-job that K.I.T.T.'s was back in the 80s. :D
Oh, and just so you know, K.I.T.T. is an undercover Cylon raider.
We've actually seen starcharts before that had fully squared corners as well. My bet is that the plotters sign liability waivers removing blame from the Galactica staff if they suffer lethal papercuts or lose their eyes in the middle of combat due to a rogue corner.
Spoiler: Anyone else think that the Chief looks like Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket with his shaved head? ;)
Also, I couldn't sleep last night so I watched the extended version of Razor and I want to put forth the possibility that Kendra Shaw might be the final Cylon. Just a thought.
Spoiler: Speaking of Razor, was anyone else reminded of it when Helo refused to carry out Kara's order to jump? This time, however, the whole crew was willing to stand up to her instead of falling in line like a bunch of spineless cowards.
I think "The Road Less Traveled" was the weakest of the season so far. It seemed to have a bad case of part-one-itis. However, Moore has said they plotted out the first half of the season as if it were one big episode, so I'm hoping the next five episodes will be concentrated part-two awesome.
Spoiler: Took the works right out of my mouth there. This was really a rather unremarkable episode that really looks to be layout for part 2 awesomeness. This is going to be the moment of truth. Usually all seasons, particularly the third started really strong for the first four and then went downhill from there on. I'm really liking the going back to the original formula of having every episode back to back in the timeline. No time leaps or flashbacks. Thats what made the first season awesome so it would be great to end it in that fashion.
Also, Spoiler: if she did shoot Helo Athena would certainly kill her...if she killed Athena first Helo may well kill Starbuck...so how to do them both at the same time? That's the question
Either time is of the essence, or Spoiler: Starbuck is so distraught that Roslin's pestering nearly lost her the path to Earth that she's acting as though time is of the essence, lest the trail go cold again.
Spoiler: Well, I think the biggest problem is that Galactica and the fleet are significantly further than the source of the feeling Starbuck felt. While the fleet has been jumping further away, the Demetrius has been swinging in somewhat closer in an attempt to find the source. Her fear appears to be that jumping all the way back to galactica will result in her losing what little she can still sense.
Well, we are far, far away from that galaxy where there was that infamous tremor in the force. :D
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Well I'm finally caught up at last. Liking season 4 so far! :)
Spoiler: I think Callie's death was necessary, while she's very cute, the character was just getting annoying and didnt really serve much purpose anymore, so I'm not too upset.
As for Starbuck, I agree with David of Mac. She's pissed, she's changed even if she wont admit it to herself, and she's desperate to prove herself right. If they go back then it wont be her that discovers earth
Spoiler: I hadn't thought of that, actually. Sure, why not? Let's just stick it to the TOS fans one more time. Starbuck's a girl, Adama killed a baby, and, now, the Ship of Lights is a busted-up basestar. Choke on that, frakkers!
Now, what'd I say? That was straight-up Part II awesome, right there. There's almost too much to talk about. The emotionally scarred Six, Emily, the scene with Roslin and Adama, the Centurion standing up for the Hybrid, Natalie calling out Leoban (and the somewhat creepy insinuation that they [i]all[/i] have the hots for Kara it hasn't been just one of them following her around), Roslin's mother having an uncanny resemblance to Barbara Bush, some of the best cylon duplicate photography they've done, and from the preview, it looks they're going to return to how Hera is Baltar and Six's child.
Spoiler: The final scene between Roslin and Major Kir... er... Emily was easily one of the most powerful I've seen on television in a long time. I'm not nearly a good enough writer to explain here how much it moved me. Simply amazing.
As for the "A" plot, I felt that they might have wrapped up the "mutiny" a little too quickly, but that's a small complaint. The rest was awesome. I wonder, however if Six may gave misunderstood the Hybrid's words. I'll have to watch it again, but the meaning I originally took from it was that the final 5 were actually from the 13th Colony, not so much that they knew where it was (although, they presumably will be the key to finding it).
I also have to wonder how Kara will deal with the fact that she now knows that she is "the harbinger of death". Will she continue to look for Earth?
Spoiler: I agree that the mutiny situation was resolved with what seemed to be dangerous speed, but I don't give a flying frak because the rest of this episode easily made up for it.
Sure, it wasn't the ship of lights. What it was, however, was damned good drama.
I'm torn between the Six having misunderstood the problem and a perception that I might be over analyzing things. Both types of problems have cropped, up. I do, however, believe that Starbuck will not be the literal harbinger of death. Further theorizing will be carried on at a later time. I'm too distracted by awesome right now. I'm far more curious about Anders' strategy for dealing with the impending revelation. While It seems that he understands the inevitability of the reveal, there seems to be a strong enough force within him to potentially risk it all just to save face for of Kara. (A voice in my head says the latter is a low probability)
I love listening to hybrid ramblings.
Emily and Roslin was emotionally powerful. If the metric are 0-10, that was easily a 15. I'm betting they just won over the 28-85 "Cancer Patient" demographic. :p
It's fascinating to see the interaction of the Cylon models under stress, as well as the longer term effects of their various deaths. I had always wondered how they handled something so horribly traumatic given the its transient nature (to them, at least). Both sides have endured so much.
This also marks [B]the best[/B] CGI I have seen on the series. The attention to detail across this entire episode, the care taken with compositing and multi-layered effects, was just unbelievable. Everything felt perfect.
Gaeta's life really started to suck after New Caprica, didn't it? The poor man has gone through so much in a short time.
Is this the first time we've seen a jump from within a vessel? And what of those bio-mechanical structural components!
Spoiler: I must say I was blown away by both Mary McDonnell and Tricia Helfer's performance. That was easily their best work on the show. I'll post more once I'm more sober and can gather my thoughts :D
Then shall the maidens rejoice at the dance / the children of the one reborn shall find their own country
Thus (Ask?) will it come to pass, a dying leader will know the truth of the opera house / the missing three will give you the five / who have come from the home of the thirteenth
You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. you will lead them all to their end. End of line
a few thoughts Spoiler: I"m so glad that my wife was not the only one who thought Roslyn's mom looked like Barbara Bush, I love how Natalie handled the 6, and, why does everyone assume that the Hybrid is talking about Kara being the harbinger of death for the HUMANS, it could just as well refer to the other cylons (the cavells etc) or the humans already on earth.
Spoiler: Roslin is supposed to die before they reach Earth, or at least that's what the prophecies indicate. So if Starbuck finds Earth she would be bringing death to the president.
"the children of the one reborn shall find their own country" - I wonder if that refers to Baltar and his women going off on their own?
That was an excellent episode, I'm wondering what's going to happen next week. Adama is going to get a shock when they take the basestar back to the fleet.
[QUOTE=Entil'Zha;172864] Spoiler: why does everyone assume that the Hybrid is talking about Kara being the harbinger of death for the HUMANS, it could just as well refer to the other cylons (the cavells etc) or the humans already on earth. [/QUOTE]
Spoiler: ...or the cylons already on Earth, as I predicted in the previous Galactica thread over a year ago. The thirteenth tribe is very likely to consist fully of final five cylon models because they haven't been in any direct contact with the twelve colonies nor the seven other cylon models.
As I mentioned above, I don't believe this means what the music made it out to mean. It never explicitly stated death of anyone. The hybrid prophecy tends to be loose and never quite the way we would normally think of it. My belief is that she will mark the completion of the cycle, the end of "All this has happened before". And perhaps she [B]will[/B] bring them to their end, but 'end' could very well be referring to the [I]conclusion [/I]linked to this. I still don't think we know enough about the mythology to make much more than an educated guess on the matter, so we're going to have to wait until the story is fleshed out a bit further.
I'm also a firm believer in the Joseph Smith --> Gaius Baltar (with Jesus-Fu) connections, so we'll see how literally that pans out. :P
[I] Thus will it come to pass / a dying leader will know the truth of the opera house / the missing three will give you the five / who have come from the home of the thirteenth[/I]
This one I love, because it is so dangerously vague. The first segment may refer to the president, but it almost seems too strong a connection. If the Joseph Smith connections are true, then this offers up Baltar as a valid option as well.
The second segment has provoked many interpretations, but I can't help but think Natalie's is taking it too literally (admittedly, doing so from a non-omniscient perspective). With what we know, this allows us to link the missing three--those of the final five who have been revealed but are back on Galactica--as a possible means to locate the fifth.
[B][I]Baseless speculation:[/I][/B] Twelve is a popular number with this show, but they've been introducing some level of thirteen throughout these last two seasons. What's to say there isn't a mysterious thirteenth "model" of cylon, and perhaps [I]"the missing three will give you the five, who have come from the home of the thirteenth"[/I] means that the final five share some quirky supernatural origin with this entity? That might go so far as to explain Kara's reappearance after the Ship of Lights was shot down. If, for some reason, the "One True God" is a unique entity with regard to the Lords of Kobol, this could make some form of sense. It is, however, seriously pushing the limits of what we actually know to reach this conclusion. Another option is that if it is indeed referring to the thirteenth colony, whose home is Kobol, then perhaps this is a skewed reference to the Lords of Kobol being in some way related to the Final Five? There may also be elements of this that have not yet been developed, meaning any and all speculation might be meaningless.
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If you look closely when Starbuck is going through all the charts and papers in her frantic search for Earth, not all of the documents and folders have the trademark corners. :D
You see, the reason why the Raptor didn't end up as damaged as the SFX made it look like is that the Raptor's hull is covered in the same bullet-proof paint-job that K.I.T.T.'s was back in the 80s. :D
Oh, and just so you know, K.I.T.T. is an undercover Cylon raider.
I think it's time to invade Canada. :D
Also, I couldn't sleep last night so I watched the extended version of Razor and I want to put forth the possibility that Kendra Shaw might be the final Cylon. Just a thought.
I think "The Road Less Traveled" was the weakest of the season so far. It seemed to have a bad case of part-one-itis. However, Moore has said they plotted out the first half of the season as if it were one big episode, so I'm hoping the next five episodes will be concentrated part-two awesome.
Spoiler: I think Callie's death was necessary, while she's very cute, the character was just getting annoying and didnt really serve much purpose anymore, so I'm not too upset.
As for Starbuck, I agree with David of Mac. She's pissed, she's changed even if she wont admit it to herself, and she's desperate to prove herself right. If they go back then it wont be her that discovers earth
My 2 cents :)
Now, what'd I say? That was straight-up Part II awesome, right there. There's almost too much to talk about. The emotionally scarred Six, Emily, the scene with Roslin and Adama, the Centurion standing up for the Hybrid, Natalie calling out Leoban (and the somewhat creepy insinuation that they [i]all[/i] have the hots for Kara it hasn't been just one of them following her around), Roslin's mother having an uncanny resemblance to Barbara Bush, some of the best cylon duplicate photography they've done, and from the preview, it looks they're going to return to how Hera is Baltar and Six's child.
As for the "A" plot, I felt that they might have wrapped up the "mutiny" a little too quickly, but that's a small complaint. The rest was awesome. I wonder, however if Six may gave misunderstood the Hybrid's words. I'll have to watch it again, but the meaning I originally took from it was that the final 5 were actually from the 13th Colony, not so much that they knew where it was (although, they presumably will be the key to finding it).
I also have to wonder how Kara will deal with the fact that she now knows that she is "the harbinger of death". Will she continue to look for Earth?
Sure, it wasn't the ship of lights. What it was, however, was damned good drama.
I'm torn between the Six having misunderstood the problem and a perception that I might be over analyzing things. Both types of problems have cropped, up. I do, however, believe that Starbuck will not be the literal harbinger of death. Further theorizing will be carried on at a later time. I'm too distracted by awesome right now. I'm far more curious about Anders' strategy for dealing with the impending revelation. While It seems that he understands the inevitability of the reveal, there seems to be a strong enough force within him to potentially risk it all just to save face for of Kara. (A voice in my head says the latter is a low probability)
I love listening to hybrid ramblings.
Emily and Roslin was emotionally powerful. If the metric are 0-10, that was easily a 15. I'm betting they just won over the 28-85 "Cancer Patient" demographic. :p
It's fascinating to see the interaction of the Cylon models under stress, as well as the longer term effects of their various deaths. I had always wondered how they handled something so horribly traumatic given the its transient nature (to them, at least). Both sides have endured so much.
This also marks [B]the best[/B] CGI I have seen on the series. The attention to detail across this entire episode, the care taken with compositing and multi-layered effects, was just unbelievable. Everything felt perfect.
Gaeta's life really started to suck after New Caprica, didn't it? The poor man has gone through so much in a short time.
Is this the first time we've seen a jump from within a vessel? And what of those bio-mechanical structural components!
But you are a spark of God's fire
Then shall the maidens rejoice at the dance / the children of the one reborn shall find their own country
Thus (Ask?) will it come to pass, a dying leader will know the truth of the opera house / the missing three will give you the five / who have come from the home of the thirteenth
You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. you will lead them all to their end. End of line
"the children of the one reborn shall find their own country" - I wonder if that refers to Baltar and his women going off on their own?
That was an excellent episode, I'm wondering what's going to happen next week. Adama is going to get a shock when they take the basestar back to the fleet.
Worf
Spoiler: ...or the cylons already on Earth, as I predicted in the previous Galactica thread over a year ago. The thirteenth tribe is very likely to consist fully of final five cylon models because they haven't been in any direct contact with the twelve colonies nor the seven other cylon models.
As I mentioned above, I don't believe this means what the music made it out to mean. It never explicitly stated death of anyone. The hybrid prophecy tends to be loose and never quite the way we would normally think of it. My belief is that she will mark the completion of the cycle, the end of "All this has happened before". And perhaps she [B]will[/B] bring them to their end, but 'end' could very well be referring to the [I]conclusion [/I]linked to this. I still don't think we know enough about the mythology to make much more than an educated guess on the matter, so we're going to have to wait until the story is fleshed out a bit further.
I'm also a firm believer in the Joseph Smith --> Gaius Baltar (with Jesus-Fu) connections, so we'll see how literally that pans out. :P
[I] Thus will it come to pass / a dying leader will know the truth of the opera house / the missing three will give you the five / who have come from the home of the thirteenth[/I]
This one I love, because it is so dangerously vague. The first segment may refer to the president, but it almost seems too strong a connection. If the Joseph Smith connections are true, then this offers up Baltar as a valid option as well.
The second segment has provoked many interpretations, but I can't help but think Natalie's is taking it too literally (admittedly, doing so from a non-omniscient perspective). With what we know, this allows us to link the missing three--those of the final five who have been revealed but are back on Galactica--as a possible means to locate the fifth.
[B][I]Baseless speculation:[/I][/B] Twelve is a popular number with this show, but they've been introducing some level of thirteen throughout these last two seasons. What's to say there isn't a mysterious thirteenth "model" of cylon, and perhaps [I]"the missing three will give you the five, who have come from the home of the thirteenth"[/I] means that the final five share some quirky supernatural origin with this entity? That might go so far as to explain Kara's reappearance after the Ship of Lights was shot down. If, for some reason, the "One True God" is a unique entity with regard to the Lords of Kobol, this could make some form of sense. It is, however, seriously pushing the limits of what we actually know to reach this conclusion. Another option is that if it is indeed referring to the thirteenth colony, whose home is Kobol, then perhaps this is a skewed reference to the Lords of Kobol being in some way related to the Final Five? There may also be elements of this that have not yet been developed, meaning any and all speculation might be meaningless.
Or it could be as Natalie figures.