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Destroyers larger than cruisers?
I always wondered why JMS always had his EA Destroyers larger than his Cruisers? In all the navies around the world, the order from smallest to largest has always been: corvette, frigate, destroyer, destroyer escort, and cruiser. Knowing JMS, he probably has a reason considering he always is accurate when it comes to realism and accuracy. Does anyone know if he posted anything about it?
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Yet another amazing Biggles post [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] The idea was that the Heavy Cruiser Hyperion had been in service for a while, and it was time to replace it with another fleet backbone ship. Apparently the EA Congress or whatever thought "eeew, another cruiser? That's mega bucks, no way, hozay" so, EF named the class of the Omega to be Destroyer in a silly attempt to pull one over on the Government. Amazingly, it worked.
Hence, the Omegas are much more powerful, but have a lesser rating. Now days, it's kinda accepted a Destroyer is more powerful than a cruiser just for this one trick that worked!
I can't point you in the direction of a canon document to prove this, or to prove I'm not talking out of my butt, but when I first read this, I thought it made good sence! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
This howerer, is just my deluded opinion. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
Cherio.
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[This message has been edited by Shuup Nick (edited 06-04-2001).]
Also, Omega-class destroyer sounds a lot better than Omega-class cruiser. Much more menacing, as was pointed out.
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One thing to remember is that our current ideas won't fit [i]perfectly[/i] into B5's universe. Most will go OK, like the idea of a destroyer being the backbone of the fleet. But some things will be different, like the fact that this kind of destroyer just happens to carry 18 (or is it 24?) fighters on board.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
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"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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[This message has been edited by Freejack (edited 06-04-2001).]
Senator A: "Oh, any ships build from now on has to be a certain size to be a 'cruiser', otherwise they're all destroyers."
Admiral B: "What would that certain size be?"
Senator A: "5 miles."
Admiral B: "So what would make the Hyperions what? A shuttle?"
Senator A: "No, no. Only [i]new[/i] ships have to follow this silly rule."
Admiral B: "That a whole bunch of bull..."
Senator A: "You're obviously under alien influence. Take him away."
Admiral B: "Noooooooo..."
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Also, bab5 is set relatively far in the future so, so military changes have probably been made. You have to remember that 100 years ago, the concept of an aircraft carrier would have confused a lot of people, so the idea of changing around ship classifications to suit needs isn't too far-fetched.
Cherio.
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Mater tva criceta fvit, et pater tvo redolvit bacarvm sambvcvs.
[b]isn't a destroyer-escort a frigate ?[/b][/quote]
I thought they re-designated them as Corvettes
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
[b]In all the navies around the world, the order from smallest to largest has always been: corvette, frigate, destroyer, destroyer escort, and cruiser.[/b][/quote]
So you know, that is not completely correct. Weren't frigates originally, in the age of sail, the largest warships around? Also, more often than not, navies name their ships based on role, not size. Plus, a number of frigate types exist that are larger than destroyers or smaller than corvettes, destroyers that are larger than cruisers or smaller than frigates and there even exist cruisers that are smaller than some destroyers.
The US Arleigh Burke and Japanese Kongo destroyers are larger than most cruisers, the US Ticonderoga cruisers are smaller than some destroyers (possibly due to the fact that they were designed based upon what was originally a destroyer hull, leading to the Ticos being somewhat top-heavy)...and the list goes on and on.
[b]In the real navy, a cruiser is a multi-purpose ship. Nowadays, it's mainly a cruise missile platform.[/b][/quote]
Nowadays, very few countries operate cruisers. Most countries' navies are lucky to even use destroyers, and some rely more on corvettes/light frigates, especially the MEKO series of ships.
[quote][b]A destroyer destroys things.[/b][/quote]
Actually, the term "destroyer" originated with the destroyer's original purpose - torpedo boat destroyer.
[b] So you know, that is not completely correct. Weren't frigates originally, in the age of sail, the largest warships around? Also, more often than not, navies name their ships based on role, not size. [/b][/quote]
Incorrect. The Frigates back in the Age of Sail were warships with generally 20 to 48 guns. The ships with 50 to 100 guns+ were considered the Liners; the navy battleships. They sometimes get refered to as cruisers.
So, frigates were designed for scouting. Not the largest ships. Having said that, frigates were small and compact, and their captains generally prefered their freedom than when commanding the slow, large, ponderous ships-of-the-line.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
But even those large Frigates were small compaired to the Ships of the Line [img]http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/1797/Victory/images/victory.jpg[/img] the forerunner of Dreadnaughts and Battleships.
BTW here's an interesting read about the history of Destroyers. [url="http://www.destroyercommand.com/campaigns.html"]http://www.destroyercommand.com/campaigns.html[/url]
Cruisers are another ship type that has it's name shaped by it's job...long range cruising with a range greater than the heavier Battleships.At the time when Hyperions are built they apparently have longer legs than the Olympus class.
[This message has been edited by psyco (edited 06-06-2001).]
Man 'o war ... any warship is a man 'o war.. really [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I saw the USS Constellation when I was in USA in December, lovely site [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] I really enjoyed seeing such a lovely ship.
Now. Yes, she was much more powerful than British and French ships, but carried similar guns, but her hull was the size of a 74 gun, but frigate rigged, giving her very quick speed and such like.
Hopefully this year I will get a chance to see a British 36 (or was it a 32?) gun frigate build in 1812 up North in England. I'm so looking forward to it, and it'll be great to compare her to the USS Constitution! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]
I'm pretty sure that a Man o' War is actually a specific class of ship, like frigates and cruisers.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
These ships are amazing. I was in Washington in December, and got a chance to drive down to see the USS Constellation, a frigate built by USA. Lovely. Really really worth going to see.
Just don't go in December, it was SO COLD!!!
[b]Yup, a *lot* of guns. Really scary thinking about it. A single battleship had more artillery on her than all the guns in a typical land battle, and of much larger caliber.[/b][/quote]
That's nothing compared to a modern boomer. When an Ohio class SSBN sets sail it becomes the sixth largest nuclear power in the world.
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
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Never eat anything bigger than your own head.
The Balance provides. The Balance protects.
"Nonono...Is not [i]Great[/i] Machine. Is...[i]Not[/i]-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras
How come people always think of "Worst Case Scenario" when they think of Nukes? Do they ever stop to think of the "Best Case Scenario" for just a second?