[QUOTE=Sanfam;164399]It's better than cake, but that's easy. Better than pie? That has yet to be seen.[/QUOTE]
Better than cake, yet unknown whether it is better than pie? But Sanfam, thats impossible, if it is better than cake, it already is better than pie. Unless its a green pie of course, in which case, only green cake can possibly be better. And cheesecake.
[QUOTE=ShadowDancer;164394]Nope, should I be? :p What is it? Guessing it involves wine? ;)[/QUOTE]
Its a wine tasting blog. [URL="http://corkd.com/"]On the left here[/URL]. Its great.
You know what you should do Sanfam, try and find the Volvo used by Roger Moore in The Saint, the P1800. Well not the exact car he used but the same model. Apparently they were pretty rubbish but they looked great.
So off you go, god knows it could be waiting in a barn somewhere :)
Interesting, the PV544 was a successful rally car.
Sanfam - sure we've got some Amazon's for you. What do you [url=http://www.nettiauto.com/simpleSearch.php?show=inline&id_vehicle_type=1&id_make=85&id_model=999&id_car_type=&id_fuel_type=&id_gear_type=&pfrom=&pto=&yfrom=&yto=&engineFrom=&engineTo=&mileageFrom=&mileageTo=&id_domicile=&search=Hae+%3E%3E]want[/url]?
Actually, there are something like 5 of them in my home city. Some better, some worse. One is a real beauty :)
I'd love a P1800. Specifically, a P1800ES. There's just something so sexy about a sporty wagon with fins. mmm...fins. They really didn't go fast, nor did they stop all that quickly in stock form, but they can take a large range of upgraded components from the later models without the slightest trouble. And they can be supercharged.
And Freeze...I shall kill you in your sleep some night and take your local stockpile of volvos. :p
the P1800 was pretty well produced. There were lots. And they can be had cheap these days because they aren't Detroit muscle. For some reason, people are willing to pay top dollar for a rusty Dodge Dart, but wouldn't even trade a pile of dirt for a showroom-preserved Volvo or Saab of the same vintage.
Funny really, I've never seen one in the flesh. Driving around I usually spot some old car as I like car spotting. I'm always keeping a look out for something cool on the road, needless to say I see one and tell the girlfriend and she's like "what car? where? oh... right" :p
Well I think your statement says it all... "muscle". For too long the US car market has focused on massive engines. And that has meant more refined and so called "weak" cars get ignored. Yeah I'd love a Dodge Charger and a classic Mustang (not the current rubbish) but that doesn't mean I'd say no to a P1800. There's such a classy feel to that car, something which the old Austin Martins had by the bucketful. And one would need a suitable cuban hat when driving such a car. Funnily enough I have one of those, now I just need the car :D
Hey! I happen to have one of those "current rubbish" chargers and like it very much thank you.. *goes to find something suitably purple to beat falcon with*
Hee... which one have you got? The basic seems poor really, bad handling, cheap suspension design, and to get a good one you need the higher end sports model which is $25k more or something. Fine if you go in a straight line I suppose. I dunno, looking at the way American sports cars are going, they don't look right to me. Especially the ones used in the Transformers film. They looked like toys. In particular that Pontiac Coupe thing, god that was fuggly.
Obviously I'm talking from a Euro perspective where we have to drive cars on roads that don't exist for much of the US. I just think its crap that the likes of GM think they can sell some crappy STS in this market and do nothing to adapt it. I mean that car costs £32k here, and even at that you need to go off and spent ££££ sorting out the breaks and suspension. Mad really.
I've got the SXT (2006 model). It goes when I step on it, turns when I want it to, it's comfortable and it looks good. I can't really complain about it. Like the R/T's or the originals? no, but still not bad in and of itself
Right. I remember reading that the standard mustang has a fixed rear axle, much like an old Ford Capri from the 70s-80s. Ford said they didn't make a more modern design because it would have pushed the price of the car up. I just though this was silly because this is the 21st century. A car with a big engine needs a decent suspension and handling kit in order to stop it going into a tree. I suppose given Fords money problems they probably designed the new mustang as cheaply as possible.
[QUOTE=Falcon1;164528]Hee... which one have you got? The basic seems poor really, bad handling, cheap suspension design, and to get a good one you need the higher end sports model which is $25k more or something. [/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I'd call the Charger's suspension "cheap" given that it and it's cousins the 300 and Magnum both borrow heavily from the Benz parts bin.
[QUOTE=Falcon1;164544]Right. I remember reading that the standard mustang has a fixed rear axle, much like an old Ford Capri from the 70s-80s. Ford said they didn't make a more modern design because it would have pushed the price of the car up. I just though this was silly because this is the 21st century. A car with a big engine needs a decent suspension and handling kit in order to stop it going into a tree. I suppose given Fords money problems they probably designed the new mustang as cheaply as possible.
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Something to remember is that here in the states, the biggest form of grassroots motorssport is drag racing, were a live axle is of benefit.
I will imagine that in the next iteration of the Mustang, it will be a IRS rear. With the end of the Panther platform (the Crown Vic and Lincoln Town Car), the Mustang will be the only live axle car in the line up.
The LX cars are pretty decent handlers all around. Saying they don't compare to Euro cars isn't really fair as ours tend to be much larger and have much more weight on their side. Given that, the handling is pretty good. the base Touring models aren't much to write home about, but the SXT and R/T models of the dodge lineup are fantastic for the price. If you want something to complain about, try the slab-sided no greenhouse design. I love the massive field of view my Volvos offer me and always ended up feeling very constricted and confined inside of the modern sedan. It isn't a comfortable sensation.
I don't understand the complaints about live axles. I appreciate the simplicity. The suspension setup is much more simple in all the right areas. IRS may offer better grip and less unsprung weight, but the affordability of live axle makes it much more practical for a low-end car. In all honestly, the average Mustang buyer (who usually comes out with a V6 Base plus a few options) would not notice the difference between live axle or IRS. But they would notice the price.
Who said anything about the end of Panther? :P The Vic and Town Car are going fleet only, but it looks like they may just end up getting a body-on-frame redesign after 2010. Ford's biggest problems are the engines, which just cost too much for fleets to fuel. With the even the base 3.5L V6 and the upcoming TwinForce and 3.7L offering [B]more[/B] power at a fraction of the fuel consumption and weight of the modular 4.6L, they already have a competitive powerplant (though long-term durability will probably never match that of the Modular 4.6 or SBC).
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Better than cake, yet unknown whether it is better than pie? But Sanfam, thats impossible, if it is better than cake, it already is better than pie. Unless its a green pie of course, in which case, only green cake can possibly be better. And cheesecake.
[QUOTE=ShadowDancer;164394]Nope, should I be? :p What is it? Guessing it involves wine? ;)[/QUOTE]
Its a wine tasting blog. [URL="http://corkd.com/"]On the left here[/URL]. Its great.
Stupid forum blocks it. *Sigh*
WOOT!
I reckon Sanfam has gone and bought yet another Volvo :rolleyes:
Oh Oh! Tell me you got an Amazon!
Jake
So off you go, god knows it could be waiting in a barn somewhere :)
Interesting, the PV544 was a successful rally car.
Actually, there are something like 5 of them in my home city. Some better, some worse. One is a real beauty :)
P1800 are pretty cool looking cars, though I've heard the suspension wasn't that great and they didn't like to stop so well.
Jake
And Freeze...I shall kill you in your sleep some night and take your local stockpile of volvos. :p
Jake
Well I think your statement says it all... "muscle". For too long the US car market has focused on massive engines. And that has meant more refined and so called "weak" cars get ignored. Yeah I'd love a Dodge Charger and a classic Mustang (not the current rubbish) but that doesn't mean I'd say no to a P1800. There's such a classy feel to that car, something which the old Austin Martins had by the bucketful. And one would need a suitable cuban hat when driving such a car. Funnily enough I have one of those, now I just need the car :D
Obviously I'm talking from a Euro perspective where we have to drive cars on roads that don't exist for much of the US. I just think its crap that the likes of GM think they can sell some crappy STS in this market and do nothing to adapt it. I mean that car costs £32k here, and even at that you need to go off and spent ££££ sorting out the breaks and suspension. Mad really.
Hey Sanfam... I've found something for you ;)
[url]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1964-VOLVO-P1800-RED_W0QQitemZ140150300407QQihZ004QQcategoryZ122153QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
Edit: Since november 2001..
I'm not sure I'd call the Charger's suspension "cheap" given that it and it's cousins the 300 and Magnum both borrow heavily from the Benz parts bin.
[QUOTE=Falcon1;164544]Right. I remember reading that the standard mustang has a fixed rear axle, much like an old Ford Capri from the 70s-80s. Ford said they didn't make a more modern design because it would have pushed the price of the car up. I just though this was silly because this is the 21st century. A car with a big engine needs a decent suspension and handling kit in order to stop it going into a tree. I suppose given Fords money problems they probably designed the new mustang as cheaply as possible.
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Something to remember is that here in the states, the biggest form of grassroots motorssport is drag racing, were a live axle is of benefit.
I will imagine that in the next iteration of the Mustang, it will be a IRS rear. With the end of the Panther platform (the Crown Vic and Lincoln Town Car), the Mustang will be the only live axle car in the line up.
Jake
I don't understand the complaints about live axles. I appreciate the simplicity. The suspension setup is much more simple in all the right areas. IRS may offer better grip and less unsprung weight, but the affordability of live axle makes it much more practical for a low-end car. In all honestly, the average Mustang buyer (who usually comes out with a V6 Base plus a few options) would not notice the difference between live axle or IRS. But they would notice the price.
Who said anything about the end of Panther? :P The Vic and Town Car are going fleet only, but it looks like they may just end up getting a body-on-frame redesign after 2010. Ford's biggest problems are the engines, which just cost too much for fleets to fuel. With the even the base 3.5L V6 and the upcoming TwinForce and 3.7L offering [B]more[/B] power at a fraction of the fuel consumption and weight of the modular 4.6L, they already have a competitive powerplant (though long-term durability will probably never match that of the Modular 4.6 or SBC).