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Go To Hell M$

FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
I just lost my entire mornings work in Excel...thank is all...

Jake
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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Why didn't you have autosave turned on?
  • RubberEagleRubberEagle What's a rubber eagle used for, anyway?
    in my experience, the autosave function only works about as often as you witness angels fart.
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    It's amazing how often M$ stuff crashes, or screws up, or dumps your work, or does other weird things.
  • And there's the reason I haven't abandoned the "command-S" (ctrl-S) clicking compulsion I developed when I started doing work in computers, back when if it wasn't the app it was the system that would crash.
    M$ apps remain buggy, even as OSes have become generally stable.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I have a ctrl-s habit, too. :D I've never had a problem with the autosave in excel (which I generally set for 1 minute), but I still tend to hit the save shortcut key in any app very frequently.
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    Now to be fair, i have crashes in Linux all the time as well, so you can't blame MS for everything.
  • "Every system crashes.... because every OS sucks!"
  • ...

    I guess I'm just lucky, I'd say at most, my apps crash maybe once a month, and usually because I did something whakky.

    Games...games crash more often...
  • FreejackFreejack Jake the Not-so-Wise
    I know, I know, I should have been saving regularly. It's a rather large and complex spreadsheet, and takes a while to save, hence the reason I don't save often enough.

    It just erks me that MS can't write a software that can at least attempt to handle errors without a sudden and complete stop.

    Jake
  • Space GhostSpace Ghost Elite Ranger
    I sympathize with you. I too have had crashes while working on a big project.

    However, while I'm no big fan of Microsoft, you have to give them credit. They make a product that, while not without its flaws, usually runs fairly smoothly on most systems. It would be like someone building an engine that had to be used with little to no modification in 90% of the cars on the market. No mean feat.

    But, I know where you're coming from.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    [QUOTE=Freejack;163616]It just erks me that MS can't write a software that can at least attempt to handle errors without a sudden and complete stop.[/QUOTE]

    Speaking as a software developer, I can tell you that it's impossible to handle all errors without a sudden and complete stop. There's always some kind of error that you just plain can't handle. In an application as massive and complex as Excel, they occur more often. Often these errors come from an area outside your control. The kernel did something bad due to a bug of its own, causing half your memory space to be overwritten? Nothing you can do about it! Your instance is dead! Excel crashes more than a program written from scratch last year might because it has a lot of old code in it due to its long history, but the fact that it doesn't crash [i]more[/i] often is a testament to the work the developers and testers at MS put into it to make it work as well as possible on as wide a range of systems as possible.

    If you hate it that much, I suggest you try out one of the competing programs, like OpenOffice.org (I hate that name) Calc. See what you think of Excel after that.
  • StingrayStingray Elite Ranger
    I had Excel (Office 2000) crash on me because I tried to expand a column, I had like 10 rows of data in said column, the rest of the spreadsheet was empty. So you see, it really didn't take much to break it. Word used to crash easily when trying to deal with large files. If you are trying to write a book, I wouldn't recommend it... but for everything else it's good enough.

    But I agree, there is no real alternative to Office right now. OpenOffice is a bad joke. I'd rather work in Notepad then.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I'm willing to bet there were some extenuating circumstances in that crash.

    Word doesn't like large files at all. It's almost comical how slow it gets when you have an 80MB word document with lots of images in it. :D
  • Space GhostSpace Ghost Elite Ranger
    I type in Word all the time and I have [B][I]never [/I][/B]had a crash.
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    we use OpenOffice at the cafe on our linux boxes, calc crashes all the time. it's not just Excell
  • There isn't an OS or system I havn't crashed yet. Yes, I even crashed a C64 a few times! No system or OS is safe from my evil hands! MUHAHAHAHA!
  • I can say from experiance though...

    WinXP has been a hell of alot more stable than OSX for me...

    Actually, WinXP has been the most stable OS I've used, including Linux. (Of course, I am relativly new to linux, so theres the whole "Doesnt know what he's doing and what NOT to do yet" thing going on...

    However when Linux crashes, I've not lost any data. At all. Even when I half formatted the partition Linux was on, I lost. NOTHING.

    Still, Win98 1st edition shall forever be the least stable OS I've ever used.
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    We use word for most things at the office, usually with 150-300 page manuals. Word mangles a document or crashes several times a day between only about a half dozen people that stress it.

    We have also had word corrupt saved files to the point we had to copy the data out of them a few pages at a time to plain text, then copy them into a new blank word document, and then completely reformat the document. This has happened multiple times.

    As for large image documents, those we split in two files. Otherwise word just dies.

    Oh, and A2597: You clearly didn't use Windows ME. I thought Windows 95 and 98FE were bad...until I found ME.
  • Space GhostSpace Ghost Elite Ranger
    Windows ME was clearly the spawn of Satan.
  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    ^That reminds me of the old joke. "They say that if you run a Windows installation CD backwards, you hear the voice of Satan. Worse still, if you run it forwards, it installs Windows."
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    Funnily enough, today's "featured article" on Wikipedia is about Backmasking
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    Windows 3.1 was weak. 3.11 was better. 95 was unstable and awkward, but significantly better. 98 had the similar issues, but it was a marked improvement over 95. 98SE was better yet. ME was a massive step down. 2000 was a massive step up, nearly optimal. XP nill was a almost a step down, but with SP1 became a step up. SP2 panned out to be nothing significant. Vista is (in my eyes) a step back in functionality and a step forward in bloat (almost what XP was).

    OS X 10.nill was terrible. 10.1 was still pretty bad. 10.2 was fairly good, 10.3 was near perfect. 10.4 is optimal in almost all ways. 10.5 looks to be nearly on par with 10.4 in raw functionality but possibly a step forward in bloat. Still excellent progress.
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    You never used Windows 2.x :)
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    Overall:

    Windows 1: unstable & useless
    Windows 2: unstable & useless
    Windows 3: mostly stable & useful, but limited
    Windows 3.11: not much change over Windows 3
    Windows 4 / 95: unstable, hard to make the transition to, but added everything that was missing in 3.
    Windows 4 / 98: semi-stable, fixed most of the awkward issues but still had interface bugs
    Windows 4 / 98SE: stable, not so awkward
    Windows NT4: stable, but limited due to lack of application support outside business apps
    Windows 4 / ME: Massive step backwards in stability and usability
    Windows NT5 / 2000: stable and massive improvement; unlike NT4, most apps supported NT5
    Windows XP Home: step down from Windows 2000 due to it's limited issues
    Windows XP Pro: about the same as Windows 2000; what it added was offset by what it took away, such as activation-free setup
    Windows Vista: I haven't touched...and don't plan to
  • David of MacDavid of Mac Elite Ranger Ca
    [QUOTE=Sanfam;163701]OS X 10.nill was terrible. 10.1 was still pretty bad. 10.2 was fairly good, 10.3 was near perfect. 10.4 is optimal in almost all ways. 10.5 looks to be nearly on par with 10.4 in raw functionality but possibly a step forward in bloat. Still excellent progress.[/QUOTE]

    The sad truth is that OS X's version numbering was always two steps behind.

    OS X Public Beta = Public Pre-Alpha
    OS X 10.0 = Public Alpha
    OS X 10.1 = Public Beta
    OS X 10.2 = OS X 10.0

    And so on.

    Still, I thought it was (and, hopefully, still is) bitchin' that my computer actually runs significantly faster after an OS upgrade.
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    That's not entirely true. I have not used 2.x enough to warrant its addition to the list.
  • Random ChaosRandom Chaos Actually Carefully-selected Order in disguise
    Clearly you must have 2.x envy then.
  • SanfamSanfam I like clocks.
    No...Never! Not Windows Envy!
  • MundaneMundane Elite Ranger
    Using Vista on my new laptop....a few issues, but guess what: I've been using, studying and now working with computers for 20 years, I do not EXPECT it to be stable without any issues. The issues I have with Vista I accept, I can only hope for them to be fixed in a patch.

    How is it possible to expect an OS or program to be 100% stable? No OS nor program is, though certain OS'es are better at hiding the fact that crashes actually occur. I do not see that as a good thing.
  • Entil'ZhaEntil'Zha I see famous people
    i'm now using Vista on both my Desktop and Laptop, and have very few complaints overall,
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