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FIRST ONES ICON

shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
in Babylon 5
I know this allready exists in my paint shop but I think this bears discussion as an entirely different thread.

I've only had a few bits of feedback on the Icon and its rationale. What I am after is an Icon we ALL like... or as close as I can get to that. I want to make this as democratic as I can so if you are a registered member please post your response to this Icon. Treat it as a draft, to be ratified by all of us.

Don't be afraid to voice your concerns either.... DG has, and I'm thinking about mods to suit his tastes.... but I want to make sure I have alot more feedback before I go back to the 'shop'.

So please.. drop your feedback here, rank it out of ten... tell me what sucks, what rocks or whatever. Feel free to grab and hack the pic if you so desire and repost.

I think this is an important piece of 'property' to unify us all, a banner to march under, some colours to fly from the mast, so I'd like everyone to have thier say, and I mean EVERYONE.

If the Icon as it stands is suffcient and you'd be happy to wear it on your ship simply post a "YES"

If not, a "NO" is ok and I don't expect any more than that but I would much prefer some feedback.

VorloDevs please also add yours too, you may hold a lofty position but you are all Firstones as well. Your vote counts for 'one' like everyone else.

[img]http://www.adelaide.net.au/kaeos/ITF.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.adelaide.net.au/kaeos/ranks.jpg[/img]

FIRST ONES LOGO RATIONALE

Black fifties style bullet shaped rocket ship alludes to spaceships etc... it also looks much like a reversed shield.... good symbols...

Chalice of fire - what better symbol for a game which is/was called ITF... keeping the home fires burning

1st 1 is also hidden partially in the symbol.... two ones hold up an abridged flame which can be viewed as a graphically abridged "st" as in first...

Motor flames.. act as rank/post count markers... the two parts of the symbol are not seen without the other.... the represent membership.. and the "quality" ofthat membership

Heroic deeds.... big kill tallies for the ITF crew... whatever. might earn you more "post/karma points to add "flames" to your motor..
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Comments

  • DsDetectiveDsDetective Ranger
    Yes

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  • MundaneMundane Elite Ranger
    Yes
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    Yes!
  • WORFWORF The Burninator
    !SEY

    Worf

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  • Shuup NickShuup Nick Ranger
    LOVE 'EM!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]
    Could you explain what the numbers mean? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/confused.gif[/img]
    Do they stand for the number of posts for each person? What I'm getting at here the theory that each individual logo is like a rank determined by post number. I don't know, but I think whatever it is will be cool! [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    Cherio.

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  • BartiBarti Trainee
    Yep, nice and simple, but stylish too.

    I must get around to posting more often... (8 posts in over a year and a half is far, far too few)

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  • Data CrystalData Crystal Pencil Artist
    Good concept, but I'd change 3 things.

    1. The actual, black bullet is too Star Trek IMO, I'd change the sides of the bullet to straight, vertical lines. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not a big fan of the fifties. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img] FirstOnes is a good bunch of people, let's show that we're not just taking after other people's ideas.

    2. The flame idea is a good one, but the flames that the "karma points" you mentioned add, are too claw-like with their round end and overall bulkiness. I'd change them so that they would be a bit more leaner, and that the round end of the flame would be changed to a form that would fit seamlessly into the BIG flame, if the two would be united. Just to show that we work united, not with everyone doing their own thing around the "Main Idea".

    3. The centerpiece of the flame resembles a tie too much, thus representing the suits that we have fought so long and hard against. I'd change it to a symmetrical cone, getting smaller from the round top end until the very beak at the bottom.

    I don't have a homepage where I could put my proposal, but I'll edit the pic my way, and throw it to you with an e-mail, if that's all right.

    I'll just go and do my thing now.

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    [This message has been edited by Data Crystal (edited 05-05-2001).]
  • Data CrystalData Crystal Pencil Artist
    Right. Logo proposal thrown to sb, back to idle mode.

    * zzzz *

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  • Alec MAlec M Award Winning Poster
    VERY cool stuff Shadow Boxer, I love it. I would definitly stick that on my ship, if I had one. I'm too busy modelling other things, but there'll be a ship someday. Great work!

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    NO... I mean YES... I mean WAIT!

    Ah hell, I've already given you my opinion anyway. [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif[/img]

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  • AurekAurek Earthforce Officer
    I like it but:
    It looks a little too fat and rounded, It would look better a bit more sharp and angular [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]


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  • MattD2MattD2 Ranger
    I like it pretty much how it is, except for the previously discussed general dislike of post related rank.... once the game is out however, it would work fantastically for a kill counter [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] I really like the idea of the members here having a calling card type things for MP games... sorta like the Tuskegee Airmen's red stripe down the tail of their mustangs.... anyway, that's my opinion [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

    MattD
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    That will be killratings when the game comes out, right?
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I hope so. I don't like post count related things.

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  • AurekAurek Earthforce Officer
    I concur

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  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    hmmm ok.... first up Data Crystals version

    [img]http://www.adelaide.net.au/kaeos/DC_ITF.JPG[/img]

    much as he described.... only thing I don't quite gel with is the 'pip' flames..... they look a little too much like shadows legs or something.. a little too gothic.... and flames just dont do that..... come out at almost a right angle from another body of flame.... what does everyone else think ? I'll do another version after some more input.

    And it seems the flames arrangement will make a good kill marker... so be it... I guess it will have a whole lot more relevance to the game. So unless anyone has any objections I think the flames should become kill tallies. If thats the case.... someone better come up with the ladder for which flames warrant what number of flames.... assists... cap ships etc etc etc...

    someone elses job.

    you have the art.... we could add some colours to get some more 'count depth'....

    c'mon.. one of you slackers volunteer and work out the numbers
  • GrevenGreven Ranger
    Now that is very cool.....

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    I liked the old flames better.

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  • SchmackerSchmacker Ranger
    I liked the older flames better... but IM just happy with whatever is decided on, I like the idea of haveing a symbol to unite us

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  • Talon MistsongTalon Mistsong Ranger
    I prefer the old flames.

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  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Can we take that as a majority and go back to the old flames now? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img]

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  • Data CrystalData Crystal Pencil Artist
    Thanks for posting that sb.
    Hmmm... You're right, they look a bit like shadow legs... But then again, what's wrong with a little crabdriver -look? [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif[/img]
    Ok, the majority likes the old flames, so let's keep 'em, but I still favour my version of the vertical bullet and the flame centerpiece.

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  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    I like the first ones better.

    (huh huh huh)
  • ArikArik Galen's Apprentice
    [quote]Originally posted by Data Crystal:
    [b]Ok, the majority likes the old flames, so let's keep 'em, but I still favour my version of the vertical bullet and the flame centerpiece.

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    Yes, I agree... we should keep the old flames but with the new vertival bullet.
  • BigglesBiggles <font color=#AAFFAA>The Man Without a Face</font>
    Yeah, the new vertical bullet looks good. Let's see what it looks like with proper flames.

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    The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

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  • ZosoliasZosolias Earthforce Officer
    Like the looks of the newer one.
    Old flames or new are fine.
    How about starting the "Kill count" from the bottom center, and working your way up the sides symmetrically?

    Z
  • croxiscroxis I am the walrus
    I can just see it now.........
    I think that the full version would make a very good Firstones wing art for our furrys. Or some way for the skin to update with the kill count. So if someone runs into a furry with a big @$$ flame, they should run for their livers!
    I'm starting to sound a bit like warleader!
  • MattD2MattD2 Ranger
    I'm pretty much in agreement, the old flames with the new bullet.... I'd be happy to develop some kind of ladder, but AFTER finals.... no time at the moment [img]http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif[/img] next weekend I may look at it though if someone else hasn't already...
    ciao
    MattD
  • MessiahMessiah Failed Experiment
    But I like the old bullets *snivel*

    [This message has been edited by Messiah (edited 05-06-2001).]
  • shadow boxershadow boxer The Finger Painter & Master Ranter
    hmmm... k.... well I will now have a session of hack and add and see what I come up with.

    Matt you are duly elected the numbers guy..... when you have a chance... build the table and post it here.... cheers... it all helps.
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